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01/27/2004 08:00:34 PM · #1
Damn, I'm cranky.

I don't mind critique - in fact I am here to get it. But sometimes the comments are just - pardon me - useless and stupid.

No one learns a damn thing when a comment is rude, snarky and/or mean spirited. I just got one that said, amongst other things, "This is not even a photograph" and I just don't understand the reasoning behind such a thing.

I tell you this - it makes the whole experience begin to feel like a waste of time - I can find any number of idiots to say meaningless, nasty things - I don't know why I'd pay $25 for a comment that is not only worthless to my growth as a photographer but perhaps damaging.

So, I have something to say to people whose mother's never taught them any manners: get a life.

C.

Gee, that feels better. Carry on.
01/27/2004 08:05:43 PM · #2
Originally posted by Catherine:

Damn, I'm cranky.

I don't mind critique - in fact I am here to get it. But sometimes the comments are just - pardon me - useless and stupid.

No one learns a damn thing when a comment is rude, snarky and/or mean spirited. I just got one that said, amongst other things, "This is not even a photograph" and I just don't understand the reasoning behind such a thing.

I tell you this - it makes the whole experience begin to feel like a waste of time - I can find any number of idiots to say meaningless, nasty things - I don't know why I'd pay $25 for a comment that is not only worthless to my growth as a photographer but perhaps damaging.

So, I have something to say to people whose mother's never taught them any manners: get a life.

C.

Gee, that feels better. Carry on.


You're going to get alot of this stuff: "if your skin isn't thick enough to take critique then maybe you should reconsider putting your photos up voluntarily, and find another site". But don't listen to them. I agree with you that many comments are neither helpful nor necessary. Critiquing online is tricky just like any online communication since body language and tone aren't obvious. I'd say ask the moderators to remove it since it stays with that pic forever if they don't, but they have free speech and the charter or rights and freedom confused. Free speech is only permitted under the charter of rights and freedoms as long as it doesn't intrude on the R&F's of others. Hence why prayer isn't allowed in schools, etc. If people want to sit at home and curse out their neighbors behind their backs, it's legal, but if you run over to their house and tell them off, then they can press charges for verbal assault. The same rules should apply to all avenues of our lives. That's a bit harsh for a photography site, sure, but it's still true and we've all read some very inappropriate comments.

[edited for horrific spelling]

Message edited by author 2004-01-27 20:14:15.
01/27/2004 08:09:04 PM · #3
I see a lot of coments like that and some of them are really bad. then i look at their profile and look at their pics and wonder where they feel like that they can judge me the way they do. every one is differentt i guess.
01/27/2004 08:14:29 PM · #4
Well put Glodberry! I totally agree with you. catherine, I ssmpathise with you but don;t pack up or get discouraged by stuff like that. WE need people like you more than the commentator here at DPC.

everyone has gotten a comment like that. It sucks! I had one that said my shot was disgusting. It was a broken sentence & made no sense. I laughed bc the person that left it obviously cannot communicate properly & if that was a true reaction it would have been explained properly.
Negative critiques usually have purpose. People who leave mindless, useless comments have no purpose. My suggestion to you would be to put the comment where it belongs- in the garbage!
01/27/2004 08:23:41 PM · #5
Bah, ignore those messages Catherine. I enjoy your images and the contributions you make at DPC.

Negative comments as that one serve absolutely no purpose at all.
01/27/2004 08:27:24 PM · #6
Catherine,
I for one love your photography, but you will find that anything beyond the literal will most likely score low around here. It's a shame, but many concentrate on exposure, focus, color (the general stuff) without considering that the shot may have been purposely composed or exposed in an unconventional manner to convey something beyond the ordinary. I just try to remember that most people who vote are not professional photographers or artists, many do not even own a camera!

On the upside, this is a good place to judge your commercial viability in the general market. Personally, I enjoy abstract and creative photography, but I don't enter these types of photos at DPC because I know they'll bomb. This helps me to learn to take photos that have a stronger appeal for the general commercial market.
01/27/2004 08:29:35 PM · #7
Originally posted by dtouch1:

I see a lot of coments like that and some of them are really bad. then i look at their profile and look at their pics and wonder where they feel like that they can judge me the way they do. every one is differentt i guess.


The amazing part is that when you look in their profile and find they have left a sea of endless negative comments, and almsot a complete void of any positive ones....... I feel much pity for those who are like this. I am thankful the majority of pepole here are not like this, and are decent and respectful of others.
01/27/2004 08:32:59 PM · #8
On the other hand, I've seen some talented and generally cheery photographers leave some terrible comments. I even went back and looked at all mine to see if mine were maybe unnecessary as well.
01/27/2004 08:36:31 PM · #9
Well, I must say, I do empathize - and I'm really stumped by this one:

"tjkjykyfjkyg" left on my current pwl image - by svaziri who only registered on the 23rd, and apparently this is the only comment he's left for anyone - and of course no portfolio images!


01/27/2004 08:38:38 PM · #10
Would a compliment be considered unnecessary? I wouldn't want to try to tell someone what I thought was wrong with a photograph... I don't know enough yet to give out that kind of critique. On the other hand I don't mind telling someone that I liked their picture, but if its not appropriate I should stop.
01/27/2004 08:39:33 PM · #11
If you look at my picture and think it's horrible, please tell me. If you think it has no interest or isn't worth the memory space, also tell me. I'd like to know if my picture stinks. If it's so bad that you feel the need to be rude, go ahead. It will discourage me from putting up pictures that bad again.
01/27/2004 08:41:42 PM · #12
Originally posted by louddog:

If you look at my picture and think it's horrible, please tell me. If you think it has no interest or isn't worth the memory space, also tell me. I'd like to know if my picture stinks. If it's so bad that you feel the need to be rude, go ahead. It will discourage me from putting up pictures that bad again.


I hope you weren't serious about the last part? Would you really give into that criticism? I can't see you as the quitting type...imagine if more people quit under those sorts of pressures we'd still think the world is flat and we'd never have seen a Picasso or Mona Lisa.

Message edited by author 2004-01-27 20:42:20.
01/27/2004 08:52:05 PM · #13
I wouldn't quit, but if enough people said it was really bad I'd probably re-consider my definition of good and bad when it comes to submiting to this site. If I had scientific proof it was good (world being round thing) I'd argue that it was good until everyone else agreed! I doubt that will happen though.
01/27/2004 08:57:07 PM · #14
Originally posted by Catherine:

Damn, I'm cranky.

I don't mind critique - in fact I am here to get it. But sometimes the comments are just - pardon me - useless and stupid.
No one learns a damn thing when a comment is rude, snarky and/or mean spirited. I just got one that said, amongst other things, "This is not even a photograph" and I just don't understand the reasoning behind such a thing.
I tell you this - it makes the whole experience begin to feel like a waste of time - I can find any number of idiots to say meaningless, nasty things - I don't know why I'd pay $25 for a comment that is not only worthless to my growth as a photographer but perhaps damaging.
So, I have something to say to people whose mother's never taught them any manners: get a life.
C.
Gee, that feels better. Carry on.


Catherine I know how you feel...most of me/us here have received like comments. You have to learn to roll with it. Your correct that some folks don't have manners and you can find that in all walks of life.
Blow them off and move on.
In looking at your profile I notice you haven't given many comments. This will not only help you with your photography but also and hopefully the above mentioned will learn from you thoughtful comments.
You should feel very good at the reaction you've received here. Don't let one dork ruin the DPC experience for you.
01/27/2004 09:25:51 PM · #15
This all reminds me of that stupid American Idol crap. Horrible singers that family and friends say are good...go on and get a new A-hole ripped. Then they say "that is fine, but that is your opinion," to the judges (and "experts," producers of music-the ones that will PAY them)), then CRY! It works here sortof the same. (Hold ON!) If you were here to show your photos to someone that is going to make you milions of dollars after seeing only a few pictures, a crappy coment may hurt. But, If you are here to learn, get some good support, see great photos, and further your artisitic eye, buck up. Just a crappy comment from a sore loser.

Message edited by author 2004-01-27 21:26:40.
01/28/2004 09:04:54 AM · #16
Hey! Thanks for all the responses, kindness, support and gentle admonishment. What a great idea to have a rant section!

As a community, this is one of the best places I have ever encountered. I like it a lot here.

Catherine
01/28/2004 09:43:25 AM · #17
My favourite 'repremand' so far is: "NO, NO, NO." for my Shadows II entry.
:D
01/28/2004 10:25:37 AM · #18
Oh look, and I was just about to post the same thread.

I don't mind people not liking my photos, in fact I'm not averse occasionally to entering photos I know most voters are going to dislike, so I can take absence of comments, or expression of disliking; what riles me is those declarative statements ot the point of 'you've got this wrong', when I haven't. I've usually got pretty nearly what I was aiming for, else I wouldn't submit it. Gets my goat, that does.

Despite which, most of my own comments are things I dislike about images; however, I hope I have the grace to do so tactfully and with some emphasis that its purely a point of view.

E


01/30/2004 12:40:12 AM · #19
I like the really bad photos. They've given me the idea that I may be better than that (no guarantees here) which, in turn, gave me the courage to enter my first challenge! :) I hope for some constructive comments, but not rudeness. I also am prepared for the fact that everyone has an opinion and if it doesn't match mine...oh well.

Like any other group, Internet or not, some folks I'll like and others I'll take with a grain of salt and move on. God bless 'em all. How boring would these forums be if we were all the same!
02/14/2004 05:25:52 PM · #20
i have to admit i find the title of this thread a little ironic...

i mean, didn't your mother ever teach you that sticks and stones can break your bones but names can never hurt you, or that if someone is bothering you the best course of action is to ignore them and they will most likely go away?

it intreagues me how affected people can be by some random, rogue comment left on their photo.

when i enter a photo, my ego naturally wants and expects a shower of compliments and praise. when i get less than that, my very intitial reaction is disapointment, but then logic and sense kick in and i see the value in the criticisms left for me. i learn from them.

when someone leaves a pointless comment like "this sucks" or "wrong", once again my ego gets the privilege of the initial reaction, but i quickly recover from the pain when i realize that such a comment was likely left with very little pre-thought or consideration put into it, which therefore nullifies its value and thus cannot affect me.

i don't expect anyone to like getting purely negative comments, but i can't really appreciate how someone would let such comments bother them so much either...
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