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09/14/2007 12:12:13 AM · #1 |
Ok, I'm leaving the whole SC validating these shots alone. That's their problem. But, I am thoroughly amazed that in the 2004 Impressionism challenge there were 9 pictures in the Top 10 which used in-camera tricks to get their effects. In 2007 only 2 used in-camera tricks.
I'd call that a shift in taste. I'm not commenting on whether it is a good shift or a bad shift. I'm just noting, with amazement, that the shift is so strong.
Message edited by author 2007-09-14 00:12:48.
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09/14/2007 12:24:11 AM · #2 |
But let's get back to you and the shot you chickened out on. Let's see it!
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09/14/2007 12:26:57 AM · #3 |
| Doc, I used a combination of effects - I shot through gel on glass and added a filter after. I wonder if anyone else did similar? |
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09/14/2007 12:27:00 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
But let's get back to you and the shot you chickened out on. Let's see it! |
It's in the outtakes.
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09/14/2007 12:30:10 AM · #5 |
| PS users and voters rule and have for a while. |
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09/14/2007 12:31:07 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by noraneko:
Doc, I used a combination of effects - I shot through gel on glass and added a filter after. I wonder if anyone else did similar? |
I left comments on mine nora. Ya, I saw you used gel. It's a great shot. I love the feel.
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09/14/2007 12:31:49 AM · #7 |
| even though I'm a big supporter of expert editing and laxer rules, I voted higher for in-camera effects in this challenge. |
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09/14/2007 12:32:31 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by levyj413:
But let's get back to you and the shot you chickened out on. Let's see it! |
It's in the outtakes. |
Shucks, what a little rule broken between friends and competitors? ;) |
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09/14/2007 12:32:43 AM · #9 |
Mine was in camera, and in retrospect, it was a mistake. I love the shot and the effect, but in camera is no match for photoshop.
Edit: Actually, mine was in front of the camera. One thing I had never tried before with all my previous attempts at impressionism and abstraction (usually involving camera movement) was hairspray on a cokin filter. I think it works better than the cokin effects filters I've bought, and better and less messy than vasoline. It was a tip I picked up from Patterson and Galant's Impressionism book.
Message edited by author 2007-09-14 00:35:44. |
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09/14/2007 12:33:23 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
even though I'm a big supporter of expert editing and laxer rules, I voted higher for in-camera effects in this challenge. |
My point from the pre-voting thread stands: I don't think you can tell in many cases. Mine was all in-camera, but certainly looks like it could be a software filter.
Oh, just to be clear: I also support all of our rulesets, from minimal to expert. I just would've liked this particular challenge to be more about creating impressionist looks without software.
Message edited by author 2007-09-14 00:34:29.
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09/14/2007 12:34:12 AM · #11 |
Mine was shot in the rain as well as a filter.
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09/14/2007 12:36:32 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by posthumous:
even though I'm a big supporter of expert editing and laxer rules, I voted higher for in-camera effects in this challenge. |
My point from the pre-voting thread stands: I don't think you can tell in many cases. Mine was all in-camera, but certainly looks like it could be a software filter.
Oh, just to be clear: I also support all of our rulesets, from minimal to expert. I just would've liked this particular challenge to be more about creating impressionist looks without software. |
Yes, I would have liked a special ruleset forbidding filters. I gave the benefit of the doubt and I think I was right whenever I decided someone used a filter. In your case, I correctly guessed that it was NOT a filter (but still undervoted because of my doubts). |
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09/14/2007 12:38:43 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
even though I'm a big supporter of expert editing and laxer rules, I voted higher for in-camera effects in this challenge. |
Wasn't this challenge advanced editing? |
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09/14/2007 12:41:42 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I left comments on mine nora. Ya, I saw you used gel. It's a great shot. I love the feel. |
Thanks, Doc, appreciate it. Now Don  posthumous, were you the guy who gave me a 1, LOL? Actually, don't answer that, don't think I want to know :-) |
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09/14/2007 12:43:46 AM · #15 |
never mind :(
Message edited by author 2007-09-14 00:50:42. |
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09/14/2007 12:46:14 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Yes, I would have liked a special ruleset forbidding filters. I gave the benefit of the doubt and I think I was right whenever I decided someone used a filter. In your case, I correctly guessed that it was NOT a filter (but still undervoted because of my doubts). |
No problem.
I'm going to take away from this that I learned a useful technique I plan to explore more, that I got a fave when my score was sitting at 5.1 that made my day, and that my average from commenters is high enough that I know I connected strongly with those folks.
In other words, it's like many of my challenge entries. :)
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09/14/2007 01:05:25 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by noraneko:
Doc, I used a combination of effects - I shot through gel on glass and added a filter after. I wonder if anyone else did similar? |
I did try that method but a good many of them did not come out looking so great. It was the slow shutter speed, small aperature, and slow & deliberate small movements when the camera fired (plus the time of day with richer lighting) that ultimately netted a better impressionistic type look, IMHO.
I decided to sit this one out but did enjoy the several days I challenged myself plus one location I went shooting at I found out by accident is one of the locations that photographer Bruce Webber (Calvin Klein, Abercrombie & Fitch and Ralph Lauren)shoots at:-)
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09/14/2007 01:16:30 AM · #18 |
I voted the ones that produced the best image highest. I might be incredibly naive but to me impressionism is about the subject and the way you show it, not what you did to show it.
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09/14/2007 02:15:47 AM · #19 |
What amazed me about this challenge was the number of entries that were just out of focus. There were also some stunning entries that show the rest of us just what can be done.
How the shot is derived, particularily given the editing rules, is largely academic. It is ironic that Impressionism then was seen as the new wave of artistic painting in the same way that digital imaging and the likes of photoshop are regarded today.
Just imagine the arguments that must have raged then remind you of anything?
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09/14/2007 08:16:30 AM · #20 |
What amazed me is that many of the top photos used filters that significantly altered the photo by adding textures, brush strokes, etc. Yet when similar filters were used in previous challenges they were DQ'ed. Not DQ'ed in this challenge. Why the double standard?
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09/14/2007 08:21:13 AM · #21 |
| I guess we could go through all the entries and ask for a DQ on the ones we believe broke the rules. |
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09/14/2007 08:26:50 AM · #22 |
I was surprised by the high number of photographers who used "artistic" filters. I guess there were too many to disqualify them all. Like others have said, I favored those who found other ways to mimic impressionism.
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09/14/2007 08:28:29 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by vtruan:
I guess we could go through all the entries and ask for a DQ on the ones we believe broke the rules. |
I've just looked at the advanced editing rules for this challenge and from where I stand I can't see how the application of filters could be seen as DQ grounds.
The rules say you may:
apply filters, effects, dodge & burn, and other tools to all or part of your entry, but NO new shapes or features may be created in the process.
saturate, desaturate or change the colors of your entry or any existing object within it.
That's good enough for me.
My only gripe is I can't use PS as well as I would like to:)
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09/14/2007 08:28:55 AM · #24 |
Great Challenge - Wonderful Images
Congrats DPC Community |
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09/14/2007 08:36:05 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by vtruan:
I guess we could go through all the entries and ask for a DQ on the ones we believe broke the rules. |
During voting I asked for validation on a couple of entries.....3rd place in particular, since I thought the addition of those huge brush strokes was adding an element. It was validated.
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