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09/01/2007 04:30:37 PM · #1 |
Challenge: Big Beautiful People
Description: Lose the skinny models. Capture the beauty of a plus-sized person.
Message edited by author 2007-09-04 20:07:47.
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09/01/2007 04:39:32 PM · #2 |
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09/01/2007 08:09:50 PM · #3 |
ya know Leroy, I think that is a terrific idea...
specially since a certain friend has lost nearly 80lbs & has been begging for some boudoir & 'other stuff'! (yes, she still qualifies as BBW - just a lil less so now)
good for you Leroy; not every beautiful woman is tiny!
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09/01/2007 08:16:28 PM · #4 |
| I love this idea! I don't know that I would enter, but I would love to see how you guys handle the photos. I would love some nice pics of me, but I am a cow and the pics just make it worse. |
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09/01/2007 08:30:33 PM · #5 |
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09/01/2007 08:48:18 PM · #6 |
No offense to the Highland Cow, but this could be a SP of me in the morning :-)
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09/04/2007 01:05:21 PM · #7 |
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09/04/2007 01:10:43 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Challenge: Big Beautiful Women
Description: Lose the skinny, underfed models. Capture the beauty of a plus size woman. |
So you want the site to schedule a challenge that not only conforms to the models that you shoot, but also descriminates against average size people? Why not just have a glamour portrait challenge and let the voters decide?
MattO
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09/04/2007 01:24:45 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by WriteHeart:
No offense to the Highland Cow, but this could be a SP of me in the morning :-)
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That's no cow, it's a coo. ;oP
edit: Nice idea for a challenge.
Message edited by author 2007-09-04 13:25:18. |
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09/04/2007 01:27:17 PM · #10 |
| i like the idea, skinny women aren't everything. |
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09/04/2007 02:04:49 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Challenge: Big Beautiful Women
Description: Lose the skinny, underfed models. Capture the beauty of a plus size woman. |
So you want the site to schedule a challenge that not only conforms to the models that you shoot, but also descriminates against average size people? Why not just have a glamour portrait challenge and let the voters decide?
MattO |
As another benefit we can have the same kind of uproar over the eating habits of models that went on over this image.
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09/04/2007 02:11:30 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Challenge: Big Beautiful Women
Description: Lose the skinny, underfed models. Capture the beauty of a plus size woman. |
So you want the site to schedule a challenge that not only conforms to the models that you shoot, but also discriminates against average size people? Why not just have a glamour portrait challenge and let the voters decide?
MattO |
Successful photography of plus-size people is a specialized skill; it takes a lot of lighting and posing skill to make these images work well. It's an interesting challenge idea. I'm in favor of it.
R.
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09/04/2007 03:12:41 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Challenge: Big Beautiful Women
Description: Lose the skinny, underfed models. Capture the beauty of a plus size woman. |
So you want the site to schedule a challenge that not only conforms to the models that you shoot, but also descriminates against average size people? Why not just have a glamour portrait challenge and let the voters decide?
MattO |
I suppose you wouldn't support a macro challenge or a insect challenge? What's the problem? And BTW, your statement come across as particularly asinine. Just thought you should know that.
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09/04/2007 03:22:52 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Challenge: Big Beautiful Women
Description: Lose the skinny, underfed models. Capture the beauty of a plus size woman. |
OOOOOOOH it could be paired with the equally insensitive "Thin" challenge.
Challenge: Thin Is In
Description: No overweight, overeating models. Capture the beauty of a thin woman.
Message edited by author 2007-09-04 15:23:17. |
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09/04/2007 03:28:19 PM · #15 |
Might want to change the description/title to include big guys though? Just to not be utterly sexist? "BBP: Big Beautiful People" :-)
R.
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09/04/2007 03:31:40 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Might want to change the description/title to include big guys though? Just to not be utterly sexist? "BBP: Big Beautiful People" :-)
R. |
Your post popped up between the time I read the thread and hitting the Post Reply button -- I had to go back and change it to Quote.
There's no shortage of big guys out there either, and it's probably even more of a "challenge" to make them "look good." |
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09/04/2007 03:33:09 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
There's no shortage of big guys out there either, and it's probably even more of a "challenge" to make them "look good." |
OK, yeah, I agree with you guys, but no SPs from me this time... LOL
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09/04/2007 03:43:30 PM · #18 |
| For equality, it should be the open challeneges with one being beautiful skinny people and the other beautiful fat people. |
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09/04/2007 04:11:43 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Challenge: Big Beautiful Women
Description: Lose the skinny, underfed models. Capture the beauty of a plus size woman. |
So you want the site to schedule a challenge that not only conforms to the models that you shoot, but also descriminates against average size people? Why not just have a glamour portrait challenge and let the voters decide?
MattO |
I suppose you wouldn't support a macro challenge or a insect challenge? What's the problem? And BTW, your statement come across as particularly asinine. Just thought you should know that. |
I shoot and enter challenges that fit my style and likes in photography I dont suggest that they do challenges that fit my style, I make my style fit the challenge.
As far as my statement being asinine, I'm not sure how it is, when I suggested a "fix" to what I see as a problem with the challenge. I dont see how suggesting making a glamour challenge rather then one for overweight people. I can see my model request now for this challenge.........
If your overweight and want me to make you look pretty and thin send me an e-mail. To me the suggestion of the challenge is insensitive, can you imagine some people having photos taken and then finding out that they are going to be entered into a "fat folks" photo challenge? But as suggested as long as we pair it in an open with "thin is in" I guess we have the gamet of folks we can insult covered.
MattO
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09/04/2007 04:45:14 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by MattO:
If your overweight and want me to make you look pretty and thin send me an e-mail. |
That's where you would be making a mistake. Nowhere does the challenge suggest that one need to be made look thin to be beautiful. You made that up in your own mind. You made it an issue of fat is ugly.
FWIW, I took a model with weight issues to 15th place in the Nude IV challenge. So, yeah, if you wanna give glamour a go, why not make a challenge suggestion? I'm relatively sure I'll score pretty well there too.
You suggested I only shoot overweight models and that I only made the suggestion to meet my that. I shoot 10-15 people a month of all shapes and sizes (many photos I can't go blasting all over the web for obvious reasons). I also make challenge suggestions on a regular basis (many I don't even participate in). You might want to know some facts before spouting off.
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09/04/2007 05:48:40 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by MattO:
If your overweight and want me to make you look pretty and thin send me an e-mail. |
That's where you would be making a mistake. Nowhere does the challenge suggest that one need to be made look thin to be beautiful. You made that up in your own mind. You made it an issue of fat is ugly.
FWIW, I took a model with weight issues to 15th place in the Nude IV challenge. So, yeah, if you wanna give glamour a go, why not make a challenge suggestion? I'm relatively sure I'll score pretty well there too.
You suggested I only shoot overweight models and that I only made the suggestion to meet my that. I shoot 10-15 people a month of all shapes and sizes (many photos I can't go blasting all over the web for obvious reasons). I also make challenge suggestions on a regular basis (many I don't even participate in). You might want to know some facts before spouting off. |
I dont think its any secret to anyone who has been here any length of time that you like/prefer/usually shoot with heavier models, I've even seen you brag about it, or rant when a photo doesnt score well in a challenge and you blame it on the fact that you say the voters didnt like a techninally perfect(your words) shot because the model was heavy.
My problem with suggesting a challenge so specific to someones specialty is that it looks like your trying to stack a challenge, I'd have the same concerns with Bear_music suggesting a skif at sunrise challenge or DrAchoo suggesting one at that damn place he shoot at(the name escapes me at the moment), or Pawdrix suggesting a month long street candid challenge. That is why I suggested making it a Glamour challenge as this would include every gender and shape.
MattO
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09/04/2007 05:52:28 PM · #22 |
Why not just call it Full Body Portrait and be done with it. Interpret Full how you will. All of the body, or just a big body, whatever.
edit: or rally behind Girls Kissing Girls, a challenge that is nothing but fun for all!
Message edited by author 2007-09-04 17:53:02. |
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09/04/2007 05:59:31 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Why not just call it Full Body Portrait and be done with it. Interpret Full how you will. All of the body, or just a big body, whatever.
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LOL, isn't that the way of DPC? That'd be a great debate I'm sure ;-D
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09/04/2007 06:24:29 PM · #24 |
fwiw
not all skinny models are unhealthy and underfed, many are simply in good shape and are of a gene pool that gives them that look. There is a reason that a 'fit' body type has been depicted in art through the ages. i know many of the depictions of old represent women with a bit more to them than many that we see now, but most don't come to the normal 'plus size' specifications of now. (unless we are talking about depicting the wealthy where being large was a way of saying you had plenty to eat)
I know you probably didn't mean it Leroy, but this, to me can be an offending topic (and I don't care what your forte in photography is, you have a right to suggest a challenge topic that interests you). I just get frustrated by the push for the plus size.
Granted normal (like the Dove models) is seldom seen in advertisements, but there is a certain good aspect I think that is often overlooked in most normal advertisements. A lot of the people out there that model these days (not nude/semi nude/lingerie) models actually look pretty healthy to me, and this, in a way can be beneficial.
I don't want to take this into an exercise debate or anything, but it is my view that your body is yours to take care of, and a little bit of a reminder of the positive effects of taking care of yourself isn't a bad thing.
Anorexic looking models and perpetuating that stereotype throughout the media I think is destructive, don't get me wrong...but I also think going the other direction and pushing the plus size can be equally destructive. I for one don't want to live in a society where an unhealthy weight is readily accepted. To me that's like any other bad habit. We know too much smoking is bad for you. So is overeating. So is binge drinking.
I realize people are all built differently and there are extenuating circumstances, and that we all would like to look better and be in better shape than we are (most of us at least).
I might sound like an ass here, but...I used to be pretty overweight (not saying I'm where I want to be) and the motivation to get in shape was one of the better things that has happened to me in life. Sure I got comments on my weight that made me feel awful, sure I saw people in magazines that made me feel bad. I also knew I wasn't taking care of myself like I could. Those factors (along with other things) gave me some motivation. Probably a bit much for this thread, but yeah...hope you can grasp what I'm saying.... and I'm sorry if I offended anyone...but I feel like it needs to be said that a lot of plus sized imagery isn't exactly healthy in my mind either. |
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09/04/2007 06:41:18 PM · #25 |
Wow - I skip work for a day & come back to find a much anticipated idea turned into a debate...
Why would someone find BBW offensive, when its main goal IS to show that every woman has traits which make her beautiful (hence the second 'B'). I don't know that Leroy's intention was to make a challenge easier for him to win. Rather, it seems a subject he very much enjoys (and not just in a sexist way). Don't most people tend to 'suggest' or approve of themes they themselves enjoy?
Sorry Matt, i DO see your point, but i really don't think Leroy's disposition/predeliction (sp?)for BBW makes his suggestion a poor one. Just seemed Leroy was excited the same way as anyone else who shares an idea for a challenge. (Besides, his style is somewhat recognizable, and might actually work against him in such a challenge.)
FWIW - I'm still kinda waitin on that 'girls kissin girls' challenge too! LOL
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ETA - this posting was typed amidst the whole 'weight-issue' stuff going on above. I'm all for a healthy weight, but also believe everyone has the right to be / feel attractive at whatever their PRESENT weight is, not just after they get to some ideal number. (no offense meant, nor disagreement)
lets get this back to being fun, k?
Message edited by author 2007-09-04 18:47:19.
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