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01/22/2004 11:17:02 AM · #1
I am trying to get comfortable using PSP v8.1 instead of Adobe Photoshop Elements. Everything seems to work fine, but every time I execute some function, I have to wait for a few seconds while the system writes undo information to the disk.

I can turn the undo/redo system off and it runs very quickly, but I don't want to be without undo/redo capabilities. Does anyone know how to set these features for optimum/better performance?

I have enough ram and cpu power that it should not be bottlenecking here...

01/22/2004 11:29:15 AM · #2
most of the performance issues i have seen with any image editors ( on a capable PC ) has been when the hard drive is getting toward full. windows allocates a certain amount of disk space for cache memory, and if the drive is getting full it will bog down when running commands.
do you have similar issues with adobe elements, and running commands?

i also imagine you are working on rather large files for it to be an issue at all..

not sure thats relative, but could be.


01/22/2004 11:31:48 AM · #3
canon eos-10D? seems like some big--no HUGE files to me...try sizing the pics down a bit first and it should run faster.
-eap
01/22/2004 11:36:07 AM · #4
if you aim to print, you edit on 90meg or larger files from my experience, and a decent editor should handle the work flow on images that size. if it cant, use something else that is more efficient on RAM
01/22/2004 11:45:11 AM · #5
My hard drive is only at about 7% of its full capacity. I have plenty of free space. Sizing the images down won't accomplish my goal of sizing them up to print resolution...
01/22/2004 12:33:05 PM · #6
John, how about getting a cup of coffee or a beer and taking a sip (or big gulp) when you have to wait a couple seconds. That's what I do :)

Edited spelling mistake.

Message edited by author 2004-01-22 12:33:29.
01/22/2004 12:57:58 PM · #7
John,
You can call Jasc's tech support. It is free, although you do pay for the call. From my experience, they are generally quite helpful and friendly.

Jasc Tech Support
Phone: 952-930-9171 (8am-5pm CST, Monday-Friday)

Jasc Customer Service
Phone: 800-622-2793 (8am-5pm CST, Monday-Friday)
For non-tech questions
01/22/2004 01:39:43 PM · #8
I too find PaintShop Pro to be very slow. Let me know if you find a solution! I hadn't tried turning undo off, but I don't want to do that either. (I also have Photoshop Elements 2. It is always very responsive, with delays only when applying filters to large images.)
01/22/2004 01:41:13 PM · #9
what happens when you take a 150dpi image printable at 16x24" and run it through neat image? i can drink a whole beer before it does its thing, and i am running a pretty fast system...

if it were me i would deal with the 2 sec delay, and and be happy the system doesnt lock up ;}

or use elements instead





01/22/2004 01:46:50 PM · #10
PS is expensive for a reason you know!
01/22/2004 01:49:13 PM · #11
Originally posted by dr rick:

I too find PaintShop Pro to be very slow. Let me know if you find a solution! I hadn't tried turning undo off, but I don't want to do that either. (I also have Photoshop Elements 2. It is always very responsive, with delays only when applying filters to large images.)


I have been using ps elements v2. I purchased elements first, then bought psp. A LOT of the tasks I do with elements are repetitive and there is no way to script any of these in elements. In psp, I can automate a lot of my tasks, much in the same way you can with full photoshop's actions. The first example of automation that I am playing with in psp is the process of resampling my finished image up to my desired print size. The steps are as follows:

1. resize to 8x12
2. resample from 256 to 269dpi
3. resample from 269 to 282dpi
4. resample from 282 to 296dpi
5. resample from 296 to 311dpi
6. resample from 311 to 327dpi
7. resample from 327 to 343dpi
8. resample from 343 to 360dpi
9. resample from 360 to 378dpi
10. resample from 379 to 397dpi
11. resample from 397 to 417dpi
12. resample from 417 to 438dpi
13. resample from 438 to 460dpi
14. apply the unsharp mask to the resampled image

I wrote a script for psp that performs this series of tasks with one click. With the undo/redo system turned off, it takes about 40-45 seconds, depending on the image. With the undo/redo system active, it takes 3:45 to 4:00 to complete. The time on the script is no huge deal, cause it would take me at least that long or longer to do it manually step by step in elements.

I would just like to determine if there is a way to make it run somewhat faster and keep the undo/redo system intact.
01/22/2004 02:04:15 PM · #12
if you are to use the undo - after running the action does it save all the steps to undo - or does it undo the whole action?

if it undoes the whole action - there is a lot of steps for the program to remember as well as having to ammend itself with each pass of the script. where as if you were to do it manually the steps would be recorded only as fast as you can point and click, and independantly.

so its working the same amount, butover a longer period of time. justa thought.

you do enough with images to invest in photoshop i would say...
get the best of both worlds in an efficient application.

and why resample to such a high degree? i am shunned if i submit a printable thats above 150dpi. and those print at 16x24" fine.

i uncheck the resample box, change the dpi to 150, click ok, open the image size dialog again( recheck the resample box ), and change the pixel dimension to fit the 1:1.5 aspect ratio in the largest size i can w/o getting noise.
takes about 30secs to do. and the images have been accepted up to 16x24" and the results are good. my printable file stend to be about 2megs once layers are merged, and its saved as a JPEG



01/22/2004 02:07:40 PM · #13
Originally posted by soup:

if you are to use the undo - after running the action does it save all the steps to undo - or does it undo the whole action?

if it undoes the whole action - there is a lot of steps for the program to remember as well as having to ammend itself with each pass of the script. where as if you were to do it manually the steps would be recorded only as fast as you can point and click, and independantly.

so its working the same amount, butover a longer period of time. justa thought.

you do enough with images to invest in photoshop i would say...
get the best of both worlds in an efficient application.

and why resample to such a high degree? i am shunned if i submit a printable thats above 150dpi. and those print at 16x24" fine.

i uncheck the resample box, change the dpi to 150, click ok, open the image size dialog again( recheck the resample box ), and change the pixel dimension to fit the 1:1.5 aspect ratio in the largest size i can w/o getting noise.
takes about 30secs to do. and the images have been accepted up to 16x24" and the results are good. my printable file stend to be about 2megs once layers are merged, and its saved as a JPEG


I like to be able to get 20x30 prints. My 8x12 at 460dpi is only 180dpi at 20x30. That's just above the minimum. Photoshop is something I would like to have, but if I can be successful with a $90 program, I will do that before I spend a wad on photoshop :)


01/22/2004 02:09:13 PM · #14
I suppose a simple solution would be to turn off the undo/redo system before running an intensive script. I would never likely undo this particular script anyway... :)
01/22/2004 02:11:48 PM · #15
very true @ the cost
, and i was thinking backwards for a second there about the dpi-

never-the-less i could get a 20x30 out of mine using my technique, if i were to boost up towards 200dpi at the beginning...

seems a simpler process if the results are comparable.

do you do any of the image reviews for the prints site?






01/22/2004 02:16:23 PM · #16
John, what printer do you have or do you get your prints done by a proper print shop? your printer won't go above about 250 ppi unless its a laser (The figures they print are garbage)...
01/22/2004 02:17:50 PM · #17
www.dpcprints.com
01/22/2004 02:21:16 PM · #18
ah, k don't use it myself :) sorry for my oversight.
01/22/2004 02:25:41 PM · #19
I have recently started buying my prints from dpcprints and from a local source as well. I only use my personal printer for minor things.
01/22/2004 02:27:08 PM · #20
Originally posted by soup:

do you do any of the image reviews for the prints site?


No. Those are handled by the site administrators.
01/22/2004 02:31:27 PM · #21
Hi there jmsetzler,

I think this topic was never about "how-many-dpi-it-takes-to-fill-a-11X7,3-or-whatever" but only about PaintShop Pro 8. So here's my 2 (Euro)cents:

I have been using PaintshopPro since version 5, should be about 6 years from now. My best choice was allways PaintShop Pro 7.02 and believe me: It's good. And stable. And fast. And well designed. I was getting quite used to handle 120MB pictures with now degradation in performance.

Then I upgraded to PSP 8.

Slow. Dead slow. With bugs. And crashed, something that NEVER happened in PSP7. With 16MB pictures...

Being a programmer, sure I like the scripts. And yes, there's a couple of new handy tools. But I allways runned way from Photoshop because it took ages to load and it was rather unintuitive in the way the menus were organized, so I said "why use a better but slower and more expensive program if I can get the job done in PSP?"

Well that might change now. I might go back to PaintShop Pro7... or buy PhotoShop ;)

(edited to add the picture file sizes)

Message edited by author 2004-01-22 14:33:40.
01/22/2004 02:44:54 PM · #22
... and now for the programmer's solution:

OK jmsetzler if you want to try and live with PSP8, here something you could try:

During your 14-step resampling script you WILL never use the Undo/redo system. So you can TURN IT OFF before starting to resample and TURN IT ON after finishing the job:

Just add this to the begining of the script:
=========================
def Do(Environment):
App.Do( Environment, 'GenPreferences', {
'UndoPreferences': {
'EnableUndo': App.Constants.Boolean.FALSE,
},
})
=========================


...and this after the last command:

=========================
def Do(Environment):
App.Do( Environment, 'GenPreferences', {
'UndoPreferences': {
'EnableUndo': App.Constants.Boolean.TRUE,
},
})
=========================

That way you never forget to turn it OFF and ON again.

Hope it helps. I for one am writing a letter to Jasc Software...
01/22/2004 02:50:41 PM · #23
Originally posted by bcvieira:

... and now for the programmer's solution:

OK jmsetzler if you want to try and live with PSP8, here something you could try:

During your 14-step resampling script you WILL never use the Undo/redo system. So you can TURN IT OFF before starting to resample and TURN IT ON after finishing the job:

Just add this to the begining of the script:
=========================
def Do(Environment):
App.Do( Environment, 'GenPreferences', {
'UndoPreferences': {
'EnableUndo': App.Constants.Boolean.FALSE,
},
})
=========================


...and this after the last command:

=========================
def Do(Environment):
App.Do( Environment, 'GenPreferences', {
'UndoPreferences': {
'EnableUndo': App.Constants.Boolean.TRUE,
},
})
=========================

That way you never forget to turn it OFF and ON again.

Hope it helps. I for one am writing a letter to Jasc Software...


Excellent :) Thanks for the assistance. This will work nicely :)

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