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08/08/2007 12:47:45 PM · #1 |
//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6936444.stm
Can anyone say death of copyright or what?
Will any photo be believable again?
Message edited by author 2007-08-08 12:47:57.
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08/08/2007 12:51:02 PM · #2 |
| I am not sure how this means the death of copyright. The ability to remove large objects from pictures is not new. PI 12 has a tool called Smart Remove which will do the same thing - but without the net search. It only requires two shots of the same scene. |
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08/08/2007 12:55:10 PM · #3 |
CEJ - you are missing what they are saying I think.
What its saying is that these guys TOOK images from Flickr, and put them in their own database.
So in that one they are showing there, the roofs being replaced by boats.
The photographer took the one with the roofs, the boats are taken from another image out of the "flickr database" which is by some other photographer, and puts it in place of the rooftops.
So essentially, some guy can make his pictures better, by stealing elements of your images. |
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08/08/2007 12:59:54 PM · #4 |
I'd seen this a couple of hours ago and was going to post a link, unfortunately work intervened :(
Anyway - IMO their use of the image library at flickr, unless specifically stated in the flickr TOS, sounds like a large copyright infringement. For the "fair use" crowd, fair use can only be applied once you have a legally obtained copied from which to work.
Ultimately, these images are not in the public domain therefore the researchers will have to share any tidy profits with a zillion people.
But that's just my opinion about the flickr use.
As to what the software actually does - no biggie imo, I've seen other methods that are tres cooler --- off to find links. |
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08/08/2007 01:02:37 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
CEJ - you are missing what they are saying I think.
What its saying is that these guys TOOK images from Flickr, and put them in their own database.
So in that one they are showing there, the roofs being replaced by boats.
The photographer took the one with the roofs, the boats are taken from another image out of the "flickr database" which is by some other photographer, and puts it in place of the rooftops.
So essentially, some guy can make his pictures better, by stealing elements of your images. |
a lot of images on flickr explicitly allow this sort of usage, so it isn't stealing. (creative common's licenses)
Mind you, even if they are copyrighted, it isn't stealing, it is copyright infringement, which is something different entirely.
There's a couple of threads on flickr about this already.
Message edited by author 2007-08-08 13:05:55.
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08/08/2007 01:03:01 PM · #6 |
never mind...
Message edited by author 2007-08-08 13:04:58. |
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08/08/2007 01:19:46 PM · #7 |
I do not believe that posting your images with the idea that they are safe from infringement is very realistic. When you upload and image to the net, it is stored in a database and guess what its not yours. Your images are only truly safe if they are lock up on your computer. For some people the stealing of images is not a big deal. As a professional in photography i believe differently. I have quit using flickr for posting of any images.
If the idea of someone using your image to make a composite is to much to handle then I suggest paying for your own web address and site. I think that as photographers we need to be more careful where we post and who we give images to. At the rate that images on the web are going we will soon have trouble competing with computers for quality images.
DO NOT POST TO FLICKR !
Here is a link to how the use that flickr program
//www.clipaday.com/videos/ridiculous-image-technology-coming |
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08/08/2007 01:38:03 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by gclark:
I do not believe that posting your images with the idea that they are safe from infringement is very realistic. When you upload and image to the net, it is stored in a database and guess what its not yours. Your images are only truly safe if they are lock up on your computer. For some people the stealing of images is not a big deal. As a professional in photography i believe differently. I have quit using flickr for posting of any images.
If the idea of someone using your image to make a composite is to much to handle then I suggest paying for your own web address and site. I think that as photographers we need to be more careful where we post and who we give images to. At the rate that images on the web are going we will soon have trouble competing with computers for quality images.
DO NOT POST TO FLICKR !
Here is a link to how the use that flickr program
//www.clipaday.com/videos/ridiculous-image-technology-coming |
If you are bothered about people seeing/ using/ copying your images, don't post them online. You could I suppose pay for your own web address and site and then
not post any images there publically - because once they are public they are useable/ copyable/ savable etc. If you don't want that to happen
DO NOT POST TO THE INTERNET !
Nothing else is going to protect them sufficiently.
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08/08/2007 01:40:06 PM · #9 |
When posting to flickr you can specify what type of licensing you want to protect it with. Many sites like wikipedia and some news sites read this automaticly and transfer the license if it is allowed to be used.
I have had images on flickr asked to be used by an online news site (My capitol gay pride shot from a 12 story bell tower). I agreed and when i filled out the permission it automaticly read the permissions and they were then transfered to be displayed on their site.
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08/08/2007 01:48:48 PM · #10 |
| Having someone steal a portion of a 500 pixel 70kb image I posted on flickr is not my worst nightmare, no. Neither is Photoshop trickery. |
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08/08/2007 02:19:25 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by mk:
Having someone steal a portion of a 500 pixel 70kb image I posted on flickr is not my worst nightmare... |
I'm not surprised by this, but just for curiosity's sake what is your worst nightmare? ;) |
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08/08/2007 02:22:16 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by mk:
Having someone steal a portion of a 500 pixel 70kb image I posted on flickr is not my worst nightmare, no. Neither is Photoshop trickery. |
I wonder what your worst nightmnare is? |
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08/08/2007 02:28:19 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
Originally posted by mk:
Having someone steal a portion of a 500 pixel 70kb image I posted on flickr is not my worst nightmare, no. Neither is Photoshop trickery. |
I wonder what your worst nightmnare is? |
mk never sleeps. Nightmares have nightmares about mk.
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08/08/2007 02:37:01 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
Originally posted by mk:
Having someone steal a portion of a 500 pixel 70kb image I posted on flickr is not my worst nightmare, no. Neither is Photoshop trickery. |
I wonder what your worst nightmnare is? |
mk never sleeps. Nightmares have nightmares about mk. |
ROFL |
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08/08/2007 04:32:41 PM · #15 |
I think its things like this that are going to be the fuel for the underground FILM resurgence.
Not that it makes a difference, since people are going to scan the negatives to show off online anyway. |
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08/08/2007 04:44:11 PM · #16 |
| Regardless of the legal details, this service is unlikely to reach great success anyway. Because in order to perform a decent "repair", the program has to find a photo with the exact same angle, composition, lighting, and image quality; so seriously, how reliable can it possibly be for people to actually use? Besides, we all know the real photo-killer is Photoshop. |
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08/08/2007 04:48:50 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by peterish:
Regardless of the legal details, this service is unlikely to reach great success anyway. Because in order to perform a decent "repair", the program has to find a photo with the exact same angle, composition, lighting, and image quality; so seriously, how reliable can it possibly be for people to actually use? Besides, we all know the real photo-killer is Photoshop. |
For tourists ? It's liable to be fantastic. Billions of shots of the same subject out there. Most any time I go anywhere 'touristy' you can walk about 50 yards in any direction and be on your own - everyone clusters and their photos do too.
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08/08/2007 05:16:11 PM · #18 |
Not only that, but I've seen a video about a new system that will pull thousands of images of a given area and then give you the experience of walking through it. It'll angle the photos and adjust perspective to match where you're standing and looking. And if you want to see more detail, it'll go out and grab an image that provide a closer view.
I can't remember where I saw it.
So exactly matching up may not be necessary.
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08/08/2007 05:19:26 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Not only that, but I've seen a video about a new system that will pull thousands of images of a given area and then give you the experience of walking through it. It'll angle the photos and adjust perspective to match where you're standing and looking. And if you want to see more detail, it'll go out and grab an image that provide a closer view.
I can't remember where I saw it.
So exactly matching up may not be necessary. |
I recall seeing this as well...was there a guy standing in front of a screen demonstating it?...maybe a new Microsoft or Mac program...I think it was posted here and it was a pretty cool video demonstration of the software.
-drew |
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08/08/2007 05:21:33 PM · #20 |
Microsoft Photosynth is what you're talking about. I'm at work and can't get at Youtube right now, but there's a bunch of videos on that there. If you google photosynth, you can go to microsoft's website where they have a working (sorta) beta of the program. The catch is that you can't put in your own images and have to use yours. Still very cool though.
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08/08/2007 05:21:44 PM · #21 |
Found it: MS Photosynth
Oh, just realized that's the link gclark provided above!
Message edited by author 2007-08-08 17:23:16.
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08/08/2007 05:23:47 PM · #22 |
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