Comment required for 3 under vote

Sigma 10- 20mm f/3.5 EX-DC HSM

06/14/2007 08:40:28 PM · #1

Make it manditory to leave a comment when giving a rateing of 3 and under not just a message pop up. This may help with the random 1's,2's,and 3's that seem to be poping up even on the winning pics.

Shadowi6

Nikon D200

06/14/2007 08:45:04 PM · #2

alas this would discourage people to make votes of 1,2or three making a 4 the new low vote.

How about forsing a comment on 8,9 & 10's, seams just as reasonable :)

the thing is for a nice comment all anyone has to do it type,

Nice I like this!

For a negative one its a lot harder as you have to say Why, what improvements could have been make, etc. & to be quite frank the 1,2 & 3's I leave, mostly they need a reshoot with a different idea to work.

06/14/2007 08:45:27 PM · #3

Unfortunately, it wouldn't stop it. It would just make for some stupid comments and more work for the SC.

That's pretty much the concensous anyway.

Edit: And ya'll thought I was gonna post a dead horse didn't ya?

Message edited by author 2007-06-14 20:46:20.

Nullix

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Olympus 35mm f/3.5 Macro ED Zuiko Digital

06/14/2007 08:47:07 PM · #4

Not going to work. I vote, then comment later only commenting on low votes.

TheStick

Olympus E-500 EVOLT

06/14/2007 08:49:28 PM · #5

I was tracking my votes for a recent challenge and a bag head left the comment "nice" and voted it a 2. It would be nice if constructive and honest comments were left but there is no way to actually enforce it.

RainMotorsports

Nikon D60

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR

06/14/2007 08:51:34 PM · #6

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

I did the non graphic kind either it didn't go through or it got deleted lol.

06/14/2007 08:55:37 PM · #7

Originally posted by Shadowi6:

ah but it would discourage it and would force people to make some kind of comment wheather it is a lie or not...

06/14/2007 08:57:22 PM · #8

OK, the vote count has gone down significantly in the past year... so, who wants to try to get it down to 50 votes per challenge?

BTW, don't look at me. I leave some comments, but I don't vote anymore.

Message edited by author 2007-06-14 20:59:21.

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

06/14/2007 09:00:37 PM · #9

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

OK, the vote count has gone down significantly in the past year... so, who wants to try to get it down to 50 votes per challenge?

I personally would rather 50 votes from intelligent comment leaving voters then 250 voters with 2-4 comments a pic and people giving 1s and 2s to beautiful peices of art.

Rebecca

Nikon D80

06/14/2007 09:01:18 PM · #10

sjdfghkdgfkgh

There, I left my mandatory comment.
Which is why it would never work.

Elvis_L

06/14/2007 09:02:17 PM · #11

people would leave comments like "great shot" and give you a 2.

here is an example.

it got 4 comments
comment 1. great color
comment 2. Great photo. Colors are really nice. Great job!
comment 3. sadfsa (no i didn't mistype that)
comment 4. Good Job!

now what would you expect those votes to be? the avg vote from commenters was 3.33 after voting so lets do the math. we assume that the wierd comment was a 1 that means that the other 3 avg a 4.10 but said good things about it.

there was a thread about it here.
clicky

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

06/14/2007 09:03:04 PM · #12

Originally posted by Rebecca:

sjdfghkdgfkgh

There, I left my mandatory comment.
Which is why it would never work.

ya but you leave a comment like that and you get smited... and also you know who gave the 1,2,3... so atleast you can identify the bum licks in the site.

Rebecca

Nikon D80

06/14/2007 09:05:58 PM · #13

Originally posted by bradshaw:

Originally posted by Rebecca:
sjdfghkdgfkgh

There, I left my mandatory comment.
Which is why it would never work.

ya but you leave a comment like that and you get smited... and also you know who gave the 1,2,3... so atleast you can identify the bum licks in the site.

Ooh, yeah, "smiting" and calling out the lowballers for tar and feathering sure makes me want to participate!

What you REALLY want is for people to become conformists instead of having their own valid opinion, which they shouldn't have to defend to anyone, not even to you.

06/14/2007 09:11:10 PM · #14

Originally posted by bradshaw:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
OK, the vote count has gone down significantly in the past year... so, who wants to try to get it down to 50 votes per challenge?

I personally would rather 50 votes from intelligent comment leaving voters then 250 voters with 2-4 comments a pic and people giving 1s and 2s to beautiful peices of art.

I dunno that commenting makes one more intelligent, but that's a good argument anyway. But, consider this. one vote hurts a lot more when you only have 50 than it does if you have 300.

06/14/2007 09:20:36 PM · #15

Originally posted by Rebecca:

Originally posted by bradshaw:

Originally posted by Rebecca:
sjdfghkdgfkgh

There, I left my mandatory comment.
Which is why it would never work.

ya but you leave a comment like that and you get smited... and also you know who gave the 1,2,3... so atleast you can identify the bum licks in the site.

Ooh, yeah, "smiting" and calling out the lowballers for tar and feathering sure makes me want to participate!

What you REALLY want is for people to become conformists instead of having their own valid opinion, which they shouldn't have to defend to anyone, not even to you.

Ah I take offense from you calling me a comformist... if I were a comformist this thread would be about every one should shoot more like achoo (...). but its not its about not being an ass and giving some one a one on a peice of art its the conformists giving the 1s missy.

fotoman: I was talken about a dream world were all 50 voters were from a wide range of photography backgrounds and were knowledgeable about photography and that way every vote should be worth more :P

Message edited by author 2007-06-14 21:21:18.

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

06/14/2007 09:28:04 PM · #16

Originally posted by bradshaw:

Have you ever stopped to consider that perhaps some of these scores are indeed justified? The mere fact that you may not appreciate these scores does not in itself render these people "bum licks" as you so adroitly indicated, and even if you did find out who left you these scores... SO WHAT... would you then confront these individuals, questioning their reasoning.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion... You may not like it, but that reason alone does not negate their option to express it via their vote.

Ray

Rebecca

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

06/14/2007 09:33:18 PM · #17

Originally posted by Bradshaw:

Originally posted by Rebecca:
What you REALLY want is for people to become conformists instead of having their own valid opinion, which they shouldn't have to defend to anyone, not even to you.

Ah I take offense from you calling me a comformist... if I were a comformist this thread would be about every one should shoot more like achoo (...). but its not its about not being an ass and giving some one a one on a peice of art its the conformists giving the 1s missy.

You haven't been around long enough to know why this whole statement is just stupid, so I'll piece it out for you:

(1) You want everyone to conform to your idea of voting. How DARE anyone give you a 1, right? Let's shame them into scoring everyone higher by destroying vote anonymity and requiring comments and let he who leaveth an insubstantial comment be duly smoted! YEAHHHHH!!!!!! No, babydoll, just no. The only reason anyone ever suggests this is because they're pissed off about their own scores.

(2) The conformists are NOT giving out 1's. They're giving out 5's and 6's. The bell curve typical to every entry shows this quite clearly. the 1 voters exist on the fringes, and clearly the fringes make you nervous and must be smoted.

(3) There will always be 1's and 2's. Those judgments are just as valid as the 9's and 10's, but no one ever complains about undeserved 9's and 10's, eh? Bottom line? The bell curve is quite normal, and you should learn to deal with it.

Now this is a much crabbier post than I generally make, but I'm operating on zero sleep, I'm stressed out, and I definitely don't appreciate being called "missy" by someone who so very clearly hasn't the foggiest notion of what he's talking about, and that lethal combo apparently turns off all my filters. Cheers.

06/14/2007 09:34:33 PM · #18

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by bradshaw:

Originally posted by Rebecca:
sjdfghkdgfkgh

There, I left my mandatory comment.
Which is why it would never work.

ya but you leave a comment like that and you get smited... and also you know who gave the 1,2,3... so atleast you can identify the bum licks in the site.

Have you ever stopped to consider that perhaps some of these scores are indeed justified? The mere fact that you may not appreciate these scores does not in itself render these people "bum licks" as you so adroitly indicated, and even if you did find out who left you these scores... SO WHAT... would you then confront these individuals, questioning their reasoning.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion... You may not like it, but that reason alone does not negate their option to express it via their vote.

Ray

ah you make a very interesting point but you must then respect my point of view of thinking those people are "bum licks" as I had adroitly indicated as you so proudly pointed out. nah I would most like not confront those people on the web site as it is a web site and I am way to lazy to do something that would require so much of a effort... but I stand with what I said and I'd like to point out I never said that 1s through 3s shouldent be allowed mery explained why they are given...

Elvis_L

06/14/2007 09:38:26 PM · #19

you mean that you want to force everyone to explain why they gave these shots 3 and under.

bs i would rather they not waste their time and give a comment to someone that might actually need it.

besides i have already proven that people will jsut say good shot and leave a low vote anyway.

Message edited by author 2007-06-14 21:39:07.

06/14/2007 09:40:51 PM · #20

I blame a lot of those 1-2 votes on what I call the nude syndrome. It doesn't necessarily have to be a nude shot. But many 1-2 voters bash (try to kill) photos because they don't like the subject matter. Nudes get a lot of those votes, but so do landscapes, children, dogs, flowers, water drops.

I don't think it's right to vote like that, but have quit condemning those that do, because of this: I give (or should say gave) a lot of 9-10 votes because I liked the subject matter... mostly nudes :-)

Either way, forcing commenting isn't going to change those voting habits. It's going to either make 4 the new one or it's going to stop people from voting.

06/14/2007 09:46:56 PM · #21

rebecca I would keep up this qoute train but it has become rather large so ill restart it here.

Lol I was going to call you lady but I felt that was a little... derogatory... sorry if I offendend you...

as I stated in my last reply Iam perfectly fine with ones as long as I am given a reason why to give some one a one and then not to leave a comment is kinda cowardly if you ask me.

"and clearly the fringes make you nervous and must be smoted"
oh they do frighten me at night I stay up and cry about the "fringes"

I agree that 1s and 2s can be as valid as 9s and 10s but not when they are given for no obviouse reason

and to you calling me babydoll thanks ill take that as a complement.

Elvis
If you read the first post I beleive that I was taken about the ribbon holders not the brown ribon shooters

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

06/14/2007 09:47:45 PM · #22

Originally posted by bradshaw:

... must then respect my point of view of thinking those people are "bum licks" ...

If you earnestly believe that, then I fear you have a great deal of learning to do as you meander down life's paths.

Casting aspersions on individuals, engaging in character assassination, and questioning their integrity is truly not the type of that will garner a favourable response from me, and I would dare say probably legions of others.

I wish you well in your travels within DPC and do hope that you will learn a great deal from all the wonderful people in here.

Ray

BeeCee

Nikon D40

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

06/14/2007 09:49:34 PM · #23

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Add to that list religion and national flags.

The main reason I often don't comment on the shots I score lower is that I've gotten tired of pm's telling me I'm wrong by having a different opinion and should rethink my vote.
I do leave comments if I think they've really tried and need help, but often it's pretty obvious that someone's trying either for the brown or merely shock value. Those I don't waste my time with.

06/14/2007 10:01:45 PM · #24

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by bradshaw:
... must then respect my point of view of thinking those people are "bum licks" ...

If you earnestly believe that, then I fear you have a great deal of learning to do as you meander down life's paths.

Casting aspersions on individuals, engaging in character assassination, and questioning their integrity is truly not the type of that will garner a favourable response from me, and I would dare say probably legions of others.

I wish you well in your travels within DPC and do hope that you will learn a great deal from all the wonderful people in here.

Ray

then your kinda a hypocrit sir. saying that you must respect peoples point of views then saying you dont respect mine. also saying i am commeting character assination when I have never pointed my finger or named names that sort of offend me.Thanks for the best wishes and back at ya!

Elvis_L