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05/18/2007 11:33:19 PM · #1
This may have been tried before but... could (should) challenges be issued in terms of aperture or type of camera or focal length ? Today's dSLRS are capable of recording all that information. By doing this, we could participate on a level-playing field. Thoughts ?
05/18/2007 11:43:11 PM · #2
I've had my hat handed to me and my fancy-pants camera by a P&S so many times I've lost count.

One of my favorite things to hear is "wow, that's a great picture, you must have a GREAT camera".

It's not the gear. It's never been about the gear.

I respectfully disagree.
05/18/2007 11:52:07 PM · #3
Originally posted by digitalknight:

I've had my hat handed to me and my fancy-pants camera by a P&S so many times I've lost count.

One of my favorite things to hear is "wow, that's a great picture, you must have a GREAT camera".

It's not the gear. It's never been about the gear.

I respectfully disagree.


Too sweet to see by a mentor...I have to agree - It's not the gear - ya gotta learn the craft!
05/19/2007 12:06:29 AM · #4
let's prove it ! i agree that it is not the gear, but does that hold water ? let us compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges ! Here is a further question : if two photographers of roughly the same talent take a picture of the same subject under the same circumstances.... are you saying that the gear they utilise makes no difference ?
05/19/2007 12:10:24 AM · #5
They've tried this before in setting a challenge with a specific shutter time. If I remember it was 2 seconds. Several of the top 10 were not even close to 2 seconds and they were still winners. Just doesn't work, sorry but there are just too many people here that take it far to serious for a simple fun game. Stretching the rules or outright cheatin has been too common on those type of challenges.
05/19/2007 12:13:13 AM · #6
too bad. it is supposed to be fun.... i am sure you are correct when you say some are very serious around here. I thought photography was supposed to relax you !
05/19/2007 12:15:34 AM · #7
I think all you have to do is look at the earlier work of Joey Lawrence and sjcarter and you really don't have to wonder if a P&S can compete with an SLR here.

I've seen plenty an SLR take a crappy picture. You can put a stradivarius is my hands, but It'd just turn out a bunch of noise until I learned to use it.
05/19/2007 12:18:52 AM · #8
hey kelp... don't you want to try out the playing field first?
05/19/2007 12:22:28 AM · #9
true. but photography IS a craft. craft involves more than talent.... it involves high quality paper, high quality paints, high quality pigments..... high quality gear ? Joey's stuff is amazing. But my question is, would you be able to tell the difference in Joey's work if he shot his work with a $5,000 camera than if he shot it with a $100 camera ? If the answer is "yes", then you are supporting my point and aknowledging that "gear" is important.
05/19/2007 12:23:55 AM · #10
Originally posted by skewsme:

hey kelp... don't you want to try out the playing field first?


OUCH ! :-)
05/19/2007 12:26:34 AM · #11
As a personal challenge, I'm entering a photo I took with my cell phone in to this month's Free Study. I don't think everything that happens around here should be mandated. If you wanna try to see how you can hold up to the big boys with a P&S go for it.
05/19/2007 12:27:27 AM · #12
Originally posted by happykelp:

true. but photography IS a craft. craft involves more than talent.... it involves high quality paper, high quality paints, high quality pigments..... high quality gear ? Joey's stuff is amazing. But my question is, would you be able to tell the difference in Joey's work if he shot his work with a $5,000 camera than if he shot it with a $100 camera ? If the answer is "yes", then you are supporting my point and aknowledging that "gear" is important.


Joey now shoots with a $3000 camera because of the work that he did with his $100 camera, and subsequent work with the DiMage-HI. Yes his stuff IS better now. But he still won ribbons with his old 1.3MP Oly, so who cares.

Oh, welcome to DPC dude!
05/19/2007 12:28:36 AM · #13
Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by happykelp:

true. but photography IS a craft. craft involves more than talent.... it involves high quality paper, high quality paints, high quality pigments..... high quality gear ? Joey's stuff is amazing. But my question is, would you be able to tell the difference in Joey's work if he shot his work with a $5,000 camera than if he shot it with a $100 camera ? If the answer is "yes", then you are supporting my point and aknowledging that "gear" is important.


Joey now shoots with a $3000 camera because of the work that he did with his $100 camera, and subsequent work with the DiMage-HI. Yes his stuff IS better now. But he still won ribbons with his old 1.3MP Oly, so who cares.

Oh, welcome to DPC dude!


Yup, this one :)

Joey's beginnings
05/19/2007 12:29:49 AM · #14
foto man forever ; give'er ! this is about having fun.
05/19/2007 12:31:35 AM · #15
Originally posted by happykelp:

foto man forever ; give'er ! this is about having fun.


Don't pay much attention to me, I'm busy looking for Kosher Tacos :-) BTW, welcome to DPC.
05/19/2007 12:35:00 AM · #16
Thanks BC.... and thanks for the welcome ! I wonder why if gear is not important, why we keep on upgrading ?
05/19/2007 12:36:54 AM · #17
fotoman: tacos ARE kosher : ) As a long time taco eater, I can tell you I am no closer to hell due to my congesting them.
05/19/2007 12:53:22 AM · #18
And after linking to Joey and his lil cam, I do have to say that I think gear IS important to some extent. The biggest place I notice it is in that tack-sharpness that just can't be created in PS.

But I don't think that it's insurmountable with some creative shooting and processing :)

And glad to see another wet coaster, kelpie :D
05/19/2007 01:07:47 AM · #19
Originally posted by happykelp:

fotoman: tacos ARE kosher : ) As a long time taco eater, I can tell you I am no closer to hell due to my congesting them.


Except for that whole "mixing meat and dairy" thing, sure. ;)
05/19/2007 01:38:23 AM · #20
Originally posted by chimericvisions:

Originally posted by happykelp:

fotoman: tacos ARE kosher : ) As a long time taco eater, I can tell you I am no closer to hell due to my congesting them.


Except for that whole "mixing meat and dairy" thing, sure. ;)


Yup, there's that. But fish tacos are kosher, and delicious. You can mix dairy and fish all you wish.

R.
05/19/2007 01:47:47 AM · #21
Originally posted by BeeCee:

And after linking to Joey and his lil cam, I do have to say that I think gear IS important to some extent. The biggest place I notice it is in that tack-sharpness that just can't be created in PS.

But I don't think that it's insurmountable with some creative shooting and processing :)

And glad to see another wet coaster, kelpie :D


I like the idea of having a P&S challenge. I feel that it would be interesting to see two challenges running the same week with the same subject, but one with a special "P&S only" rule, and the other with a special "DSLR's" only rule. That way no one would be left out due to equipment limitations. It would be interesting to me to compare the entries between the two challenges.
It would also give the P&S owners a good shot at getting a ribbon. : )

Message edited by author 2007-05-19 01:50:56.
05/19/2007 01:49:57 AM · #22
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:

Originally posted by BeeCee:

And after linking to Joey and his lil cam, I do have to say that I think gear IS important to some extent. The biggest place I notice it is in that tack-sharpness that just can't be created in PS.

But I don't think that it's insurmountable with some creative shooting and processing :)

And glad to see another wet coaster, kelpie :D


I like the idea of having a P&S challenge. I feel that it would be interesting to see two challenges running the same week with the same subject, but one with a special "P&S only" rule, and the other with a special "DSLR's" only rule. That way no one would be left out due to equipment limitations. It would be interesting to me to compare the enteries between the two challenges.


... and allow people to enter both.
05/19/2007 01:52:57 AM · #23
Originally posted by cpanaioti:



... and allow people to enter both.


LOL, I had that typed in and deleted it.
05/19/2007 03:37:35 AM · #24
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:

... It would also give the P&S owners a good shot at getting a ribbon. : )


nah, we don't need a special challenge :-)
05/19/2007 04:17:01 AM · #25


lol! couldn't resist..

Having the two challenges might cause a few people to create bit of a fuss.. don't know how much of the discrimination lot we have here... would definitely be interesting to see the two results ..
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