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12/03/2003 12:58:43 AM · #1 |
You are getting a low score from me, sorry. No matter how good the shot is overall, it doesn't meet the challenge if you put actual money in it and since it was very specific this time I'm scoring low on those.
Deannda
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12/03/2003 01:00:52 AM · #2 |
Me too. Sorry, i sow many very good shot.
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12/03/2003 01:03:37 AM · #3 |
I must admit, that I am guilty of just looking at the title, and not properly reading the description!! Sorry, I wasted a lot of people's time with my entry!
All I got to say is, "Damn, what a dumbass!!"
Lee
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12/03/2003 01:07:08 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Spanish_Grease:
I must admit, that I am guilty of just looking at the title, and not properly reading the description!! Sorry, I wasted a lot of people's time with my entry!
All I got to say is, "Damn, what a dumbass!!"
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You might just want to try to DQ yourself so you don't have to have a low score following you around. If you can, or ask one of us and we will do it for you (if you want.) |
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12/03/2003 01:12:57 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
You might just want to try to DQ yourself so you don't have to have a low score following you around. If you can, or ask one of us and we will do it for you (if you want.) |
According to the rules, not meeting the challenge is NOT grounds for DQ...
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12/03/2003 01:18:36 AM · #6 |
I pretty much don't ever vote down for not meeting the challenge, because usually I give the photog the benefit of the doubt, but even I will be giving low scores to shots of actual money, if I decide to vote. The description was pretty specific.
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12/03/2003 01:19:06 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
You might just want to try to DQ yourself so you don't have to have a low score following you around. If you can, or ask one of us and we will do it for you (if you want.) |
According to the rules, not meeting the challenge is NOT grounds for DQ... |
So even if he wants to be DQ'd, he can't do so to withdraw his photo?
There should be a way to withdraw a photo before the end at least... |
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12/03/2003 01:20:17 AM · #8 |
Nah, that wouldn't work NShapiro. As soon as someone saw they weren't doing well, they would withdraw there photo at the last minute. The challenges would end up being a joke.
Lee
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12/03/2003 01:27:48 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
You might just want to try to DQ yourself so you don't have to have a low score following you around. If you can, or ask one of us and we will do it for you (if you want.) |
According to the rules, not meeting the challenge is NOT grounds for DQ... |
So even if he wants to be DQ'd, he can't do so to withdraw his photo?
There should be a way to withdraw a photo before the end at least... |
Withdrawing your photo (or requesting a groundless DQ to eliminate it) is not allowed precisely because it violates both the letter and spirit of the site rules regarding manipulating scores. A photographer's average score is a completely meaningless statistic if they are allowed to selectively eliminate shots.
The most current suggestion I heard is that DQ'd photos should still remain listed in the challenge, but assigned a score of zero, just to discourage this (and cheating -- since there's no penalty for being caught now). |
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12/03/2003 09:55:42 AM · #10 |
Maybe the part about not including money should have been mentioned as an extra rule rather than as part of the challenge description. Alas, it is too late now, but something to think about in future challenges of kind. Then people who missed the rule would have a recourse for DQing themselves. I find it hard to believe that ANYONE would included money in their photo if they read the description. I hate seing people punished for honest mistakes.
That being said, I also like the idea of rating their photo as zero in the averages if they are DQed. However, since the average vote is not the average of all picture scores but the average of all individual votes, I don't see how that would work. |
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12/03/2003 10:33:30 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Trinch:
Maybe the part about not including money should have been mentioned as an extra rule rather than as part of the challenge description. Alas, it is too late now, but something to think about in future challenges of kind. Then people who missed the rule would have a recourse for DQing themselves. I find it hard to believe that ANYONE would included money in their photo if they read the description. I hate seing people punished for honest mistakes.
That being said, I also like the idea of rating their photo as zero in the averages if they are DQed. However, since the average vote is not the average of all picture scores but the average of all individual votes, I don't see how that would work. |
It's not an extra rule because "not meeting the challenge" is specifically NOT grounds for DQ.
For the DQ "punishment," we could add an arbitrary 100 votes to the cumulative vote count as well. Problem is, many DQs (including one I had) are often relatively innocent mistakes, not deliberate attempts at cheating. |
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12/03/2003 10:36:44 AM · #12 |
I think people should read the challenge description. It takes 2 seconds, folks. Are we really that lazy?
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12/03/2003 10:36:48 AM · #13 |
I think it's the responsibility of the photographer to check the details of the challenge before submitting a photo - IF they want to be sure they meet the criteria.
Besides, on the submit page, the full details of the challenge are even printed there... |
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12/03/2003 10:37:54 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
For the DQ "punishment," we could add an arbitrary 100 votes to the cumulative vote count as well. Problem is, many DQs (including one I had) are often relatively innocent mistakes, not deliberate attempts at cheating. |
Or I was thinking add a vote for every entry... Just an idea...
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12/03/2003 10:43:56 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Neuferland:
You are getting a low score from me, sorry. No matter how good the shot is overall, it doesn't meet the challenge if you put actual money in it and since it was very specific this time I'm scoring low on those.
Deannda
Hope you all understand |
You always starting this kind of discussion during the voting!Would be very nice if you shut up your keyboard and not to discuss particular type of photos and influence other people how to vote!
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12/03/2003 10:52:49 AM · #16 |
pitsaman, there is a forum called "Current Challenge" for a reason.
Nobody forces anybody to read this forum.
Please refrain from the personal attacks on the people who participate here. |
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12/03/2003 10:59:32 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
pitsaman, there is a forum called "Current Challenge" for a reason.
Nobody forces anybody to read this forum.
Please refrain from the personal attacks on the people who participate here. |
I agree EddyG
Allow everyone to their own opinions as they allow you to yours
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12/03/2003 11:00:26 AM · #18 |
Pitsaman, lighten up. What are you, made of stone? (sorry, had to say that based on your profile picture) There is a lot more to this site than what score you get. I took a look through your profile and you have some spectacular images. If I where you, I wouldn't worry about the numbers. As far as discussing how we are scoring, I see nothing wrong with it. You may still be upset with me about my statues comment during the sacred challenge, but I really don't think the discussion during that challenge had any effect on how people voted. Heck, most people don't even read the threads.
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12/03/2003 11:01:57 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
pitsaman, there is a forum called "Current Challenge" for a reason... |
Actually, I was wondering if there was a valid reason, since it seems to be used exclusively (both before and after the challenge) for people to describe restrictive measures/limitations, rather than offering up new/alternative ideas for the entry-challenged. I think the process prejudices a lot of votes, and it seems counter to the rules and mission of the site.
No one is "forced" to read these. But people ARE encouraged to, and I don't think it's fair to innocently check out a thread and find inappropriate stuff.
I think the discussion ABOUT the photos should happen AFTER the challenge closes, when we can talk about the individual photos openly and with the results in mind -- we are a week off in these discussions. |
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12/03/2003 11:19:04 AM · #20 |
[quote=EddyG]pitsaman, there is a forum called "Current Challenge" for a reason.
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Voting period silence is nice thing!Forum "Current Challenge" is not bash individual photos or ideas.My sacred place photo drop 2 points after someone started statue bashing thread during the voting.
You should better police this kind of activities! |
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12/03/2003 11:30:07 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by EddyG:
pitsaman, there is a forum called "Current Challenge" for a reason... |
Actually, I was wondering if there was a valid reason, since it seems to be used exclusively (both before and after the challenge) for people to describe restrictive measures/limitations, rather than offering up new/alternative ideas for the entry-challenged. |
Since these threads seem to pop up with EVERY challenge, they seem to be unavoidable. Maybe there needs to be a seperate forum for the current challenge during the submission period and a seperate one for the voting period. The first could be included on all front pages with the second one being like the rant forums, you opt in to see them... My two cents worth for what it's worth... (oh that was my last signature :-P)
Edited to add: After all we already have one called Challenge results for those challenges that have ended and individual entries can be discussed!
Message edited by author 2003-12-03 11:31:19.
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12/03/2003 11:46:29 AM · #22 |
I actually agree with pitsaman, although it was summed up nicely by GeneralE. Every challenge there are approximately 1-10 threads about how certain people will be voting or commenting in a certain way. That's nice, but do we really need to know? Everyone is entitled to their opinions, everyone is entitled to vote or comment how they like, but do we need a running commentary? Are they there waiting for a clap on the back and get a 'well done' or waiting for a chorus of 'me too, me too' or even as some suggested to influence others to change the way they vote too? If you feel it is so important to tell someone then tell the people you are voting down or the people who are being subjected to biased opinions before their photographs are even viewed because it contains an 'X' subject.
If everyone decided to start a thread with the reasons why they were doing something, whether that be voting, commenting, or what type of coffee they are drinking as they are voting (an extreme but you never know anymore), then it would be .... quite boring. And yes, I can choose to not read these threads, but seeing as most times the title contains no context it is difficult to not read them first to find out what they are about. After I know it's already too late because I admit these threads do annoy me. I dont see how they serve any purpose. If people have submitted shots with money in them then the X people are going to vote them down. Well, I guess it serves as a way to avoid writing that in the comment box of the photographs where these people think that. |
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12/03/2003 11:51:25 AM · #23 |
The description for this forum says:
Discuss the current challenge and how you feel about it or ideas you may have…
Which is what I based my comment on. Admittedly it is pretty vague in terms of whether this means "only discussing the current challenge up until voting starts".
But in either case, the particular point about having "real money" in the shot could have (and did) come up before the voting started, so it doesn't really matter. |
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12/03/2003 12:02:17 PM · #24 |
Photos that have real money in them don't meet the challenge. Since I now vote with the challenge in mind, these particular photos don't just miss the challenge, they blatantly miss it. They are being scored accordingly.
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12/03/2003 12:08:36 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Photos that have real money in them don't meet the challenge. Since I now vote with the challenge in mind, these particular photos don't just miss the challenge, they blatantly miss it. They are being scored accordingly. |
Why the change of stance John?
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