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11/19/2003 01:27:00 AM · #1
Ok. I'm not happy at all about the score my entry received. In fact, I am very unhappy. I was very pleased with it and it didn't even break 5. But, so as not to be a whiner, I'm instead going to point in the direction of some other photos that I think got voted lower than they deserved. I will be doing this often, for every challenge I vote on. Without further ado, here they are, in order from lowest rated to the highest. What happening here?
Maybe just the titles fault?
I thought it was a bit overprocessed, yes, but still very artistic and better than it would have been crisp and modern looking.
sure, the photos not super high quality, but still, look at it. People just didn't look hard enough, I think.
One of my favorites of the challenge actually. Just too artistic?
I thought this was beautiful and told more of a story, by it's mood, than other typical flower shots. Do people just need to adjust their monitors so it doesn't seem so dark?

Of course, there are more. Mine did worse than most of these but I was very happy to receive a comment from someone actually thanking me for submitting my photo. I would, in turn, like to thank these fine people for submitting their photos. Feel free to fill this thread with other photos you think didn't do as well as they deserved to do.
11/19/2003 01:33:47 AM · #2
How about this one?



or this?


or this?


Message edited by author 2003-11-19 01:37:18.
11/19/2003 01:41:45 AM · #3
Well, Jason,

I thought that your entry was very good. I marked it one of my highest in the challenge.

The Rose one also was high on my list.

11/19/2003 01:43:32 AM · #4
Jason, this is a great idea.

Well I started at the back looking for the first photo I "high-rated" (7 or above) to see which of the ones I rate well did the poorest.

Here it is:

187th place with an average vote of 4.779

and the next lowest scoring, high-rated photo from me is:

which got 174th place, and a score of 4.914.
11/19/2003 01:46:51 AM · #5
You picked a bunch that I didn't vote on, for various reasons:

1) Don't even remember seeing it. -_-;; Perhaps if we'd been able to view the description and understand what the photographer had had in mind, it might have done better, but as it stands there is nothing spectacular about it to make me want to give it a high score, nor does it seem to have any connection to the title.

2) I considered voting on this, but didn't because I couldn't decide. The over-processing played a huge factor in it. The title was blah, and even the nice artisic angle couldn't save it.

3) Honestly, I didn't get it, I'm horrible at deciphering abstract art, and I couldn't find "Shakespeare" in it. Now that I have and understand how it was done, I would have probably given it a 6.

4) Eh, personally didn't like it, kinda scared me. ^^;; The colors threw me off as well, it would have been a much better color shot (as the artist commented).

5) Yes, a very pretty set-up. It was too dark and too hard to distinguish as a rose (until you read the title). The crop was nice, but a real rose would have given a more natural look, which is a personal bias. Since the artist hasn't posted information, we can't know why they used a fake rose though.

Um yeah, those are my thoughts. The comments about the "blah" titles...lol, I need to follow those in my next challenge as mine was one of those that proably suffered from a very "blah" title.
11/19/2003 01:49:04 AM · #6
amazoneea: while I agree that those are very good photos I don't consider them as having been "screwed". None of the photos I put in this thread got above a 5.2, which I think is pretty low. I gave that cat photo an 8 and thought it would break 6, but a 5.76 isn't really a "bad" score. I really liked the idea of focusing on the thorns and not the roses in the other shot and thought it was perfect for the book title, another great shot, but it didn't do terribly. The Milk in My Coffee shot, however, I think got the score it deserved. Sure, the lighting is pretty sweet, but it's boring, doesn't really do much, and the crop on it seems off, which is important for a shot with just a subject and black negative space. Also, the highlights were distracting.
11/19/2003 01:54:08 AM · #7
nshapiro: Great choices! Exactly what I was looking for! I chose mine the same way you chose yours too, with 7 being the magic mark. Coincidentally, I gave Anil's Ghost a 6 and thought it was quite good, and the chess one a 5. It's a good looking shot, but for some reason it looked like a 3d rendering and not a photo, also the angle could have been either straight on and better cropped, or more pronounced and dynamic.

Ami Yuy: Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated. Well voiced opinions.
11/19/2003 01:56:14 AM · #8

Yes, Jason, I did not mean the score at all but the place. I still love that cup of coffee and I don't find it boring at all. But I understand now why some people rate high a picture and some others rate it low... It is a difference of seeing the subjects, a matter of taste. I personally liked those pictures better than my submission. And I think there are another 10 that I thought will do better than mine and they didn't.
About the ones on the first places, I think they deserved it. The truth is that there were too many good pictures in this competition and too little ribbons.
11/19/2003 05:24:27 AM · #9


Your own photo Jason - not just for others to see, but because I genuinely think you were robbed, and I'm sure some very good judges will also think so.

Ed
11/19/2003 06:28:01 AM · #10
Here's my order...!





11/19/2003 06:38:40 AM · #11
I would be happy, if you will read my comment to my book titles photo, thank you :)

I was sure, that my picture will get a very low place and lot of interesting comments :)
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11/19/2003 07:52:56 AM · #12
kinks: Well, your shot is a bit abstract for me, but it's an interesting one. I guess this is the kind what people like a much, or hate a much. :-)
11/19/2003 08:18:26 AM · #13
Originally posted by e301:



Your own photo Jason - not just for others to see, but because I genuinely think you were robbed, and I'm sure some very good judges will also think so.

Ed


Thanks Ed! I completely agree that I got robbed. I should have known though, since it's very similar in style to my At Rest entry, which was the other photo I submitted on here that I thought got robbed. Guess I was hoping I could redeem myself by essentially trying the same thing again. Dumb idea.
11/19/2003 08:20:48 AM · #14
Originally posted by JasonPR:

Originally posted by e301:



Your own photo Jason - not just for others to see, but because I genuinely think you were robbed, and I'm sure some very good judges will also think so.

Ed



Thanks Ed! I completely agree that I got robbed. I should have known though, since it's very similar in style to my At Rest entry, which was the other photo I submitted on here that I thought got robbed. Guess I was hoping I could redeem myself by essentially trying the same thing again. Dumb idea.



I have to agree with you that it was totally robbed! It was one of my highest rated photos, its a beautiful picture JasonPR you have artistic eye, you can be proud of it no matter what some people think ;)


Message edited by author 2003-11-19 08:21:18.
11/19/2003 09:10:54 AM · #15


It seems from the comments that people couldn't work out how to vote for a picture that made their eyes bleed.

Interestingly, given the comments that this 'isn't a photograph'
this is probably one of my least manipulated entries for months.

Shot with a 100mm macro, and one channel mixer application. Another example of how the tools have little to do with the photographer's intent to create a realistic photo or not. Also no doubt doesn't help that the thumbnail compression has done disgusting things to the solid
colour regions in the shot too - I wonder how many people still vote just on the thumbnails ?

PS: I don't think I was robbed - certainly not in the way that Jason was with his delightful noise and flare shot. More along those lines I think this was treated harshly:


Message edited by author 2003-11-19 09:11:47.
11/19/2003 09:30:42 AM · #16
HI,
Thanks for noticing my shot (The Name of the Rose), this is the first time that a shot of mine has been mentioned in a forum without me bringing it up myself. To be completely honest, the reason that I used a fake rose is simply because that was all I had available at the time, but I also like the deep colors it has as well as the shape to it. To often when I try to photograph real roses I'm not happy with the final color outcome and the petals don't seem to lay open as nice, if that makes sense. Also I feel the fake rose gave the image a deep velvety feel. Anyway, thanks again for taking note of my image, it means alot to me.

Shannon
11/19/2003 09:38:41 AM · #17
it sounds like you were already expecting a lower score due to this : "The lens flair made this really interesting, in my opinion, but I'm sure some folks won't like that. I try to make art out of imperfections. Of course, the blurs gonna hurt too. "

It seems like you can rarely go beyond the DPC border here, if you do something artistic or "different", you are burned because of it. I did like your photo, the grain was what turned me off. I didn't mind the flare, that was interesting. I really liked how it had a soft touch, and the colors were very nice.

I've been getting scores ranging from 4.5 - 4.7 for my previous 6 entries - so I know how you feel. I thought all my entries would score high too. Instead of beleiving you got robbed with your 4.9, you just cope and learn from it. Thats what I do anyway, after sulking about it for a couple minutes. ;) I think I did learn, and its paying off with my current 6.2 score :)

Good luck next time
11/19/2003 09:44:45 AM · #18
Although out of two hundred some entries 36th place is not bad by any means I feel this picture should have placed much higher...

11/19/2003 09:47:58 AM · #19


I voted an 8 - I thought this would be at least in the top 30
11/19/2003 10:07:01 AM · #20
Originally posted by amateurboi:

Here's my order...!






I had some restrictions with your top one. But it really deserves a high place or a book cover. To me your number 2 is the best shot. The creativity and real art that need to be done worth it. You number three is not in my list.
11/19/2003 10:52:18 AM · #21
Shannon thank you very much, you are very kind! * Hugs* I think your photo could have finished better, too, and amateurboi you have right, was a good shot, too. Anyway, I really enjoyed this challenge, because there were lots of fantastic photos. Really hard to make an order.
11/19/2003 11:57:00 AM · #22
Originally posted by ScantyNebula:

It seems like you can rarely go beyond the DPC border here, if you do something artistic or "different", you are burned because of it.


Are you saying that most of the time the top 20 photographs in every challenge are not artistic?
11/19/2003 12:11:58 PM · #23
I gave that chessboard a 10... I just really liked that. A lot of those pictures were ones I scored fairly highly. I guess I don't see what the majority did, because I was impressed by most of those shots.
11/19/2003 12:23:59 PM · #24
i'll post mine here - mainly cuz i was disappointed not many looked hard enough to see what it actually was

its a light in the attic - and a picture of the top of a small deck lamp. the crystal is the top decoration of the lamp



did not really think many would get it - but i dont think its a bad photograph..

soup
11/19/2003 12:28:35 PM · #25
I just want to thank Amazoneea for appreciating my photo "Milk in my Coffee", And for making it a favorite!
You are awesome!

Wendy
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