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02/26/2007 09:10:58 AM · #1
I didn't see this posted already, which surprised me. Anyway, something else to get worked up over.

//flickr.com/photos/thomashawk/402725350/

The short version is the photographer saw the police taking action against someone, and photographed it, to which they apparently didn't take a liking to.
02/26/2007 09:12:28 AM · #2
//flickr.com/photos/thomashawk/402725350/

Clickable.
02/26/2007 09:26:26 AM · #3
ooops sorry. The message forums I'm on most of the time auto parse URLs into clickable links. :)
02/26/2007 09:28:47 AM · #4
This is the photographer's post.

//www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=280&topic_id=26745&mesg_id=26745
02/26/2007 09:51:15 AM · #5
wow....sorry dont know what else to say

Message edited by author 2007-02-26 09:51:34.
02/26/2007 12:24:17 PM · #6
I love the way the officer on the right has his hand on his weapon. That photographer must have been a bad looking dude. I'm wondering...... how did an image of these guys manage to survive the arrest process? Were they too stupid to figure out how to make the CF/SD card vanish?

In any event both sides of this confrontation screwed up. The cops, if the story is true, will lose their careers for this probably. The photog has learned a valuable lesson the hard way. When an officer of the law gives you an order you probably should consider respecting the office, if not the officer.
02/26/2007 01:42:54 PM · #7
Originally posted by fir3bird:

I love the way the officer on the right has his hand on his weapon. That photographer must have been a bad looking dude. I'm wondering...... how did an image of these guys manage to survive the arrest process? Were they too stupid to figure out how to make the CF/SD card vanish?

In any event both sides of this confrontation screwed up. The cops, if the story is true, will lose their careers for this probably. The photog has learned a valuable lesson the hard way. When an officer of the law gives you an order you probably should consider respecting the office, if not the officer.

I have no doubt that I would've found my forehead being smashed into a sidewalk had I kept taking photos of that sheriff & prisoners in New Orleans. I don't get the feeling that America is a free country. I doubt Canada is any better, though I haven't had any run-ins with the real law up here, just janitors and groundskeepers, hehe.

It would be nice if this case got some good publicity. A high-profile case might make all of our lives easier as shutterbugs.
02/26/2007 03:06:32 PM · #8
Not to justify the violence used by the police, but given the guys name and the fact that his avatar is an anarchy symbol, I find it hard to believe he is completly innocent in the matter.
02/26/2007 03:09:55 PM · #9
Originally posted by bfox2:

Not to justify the violence used by the police, but given the guys name and the fact that his avatar is an anarchy symbol, I find it hard to believe he is completly innocent in the matter.


hoenstly that is pretty judgmental. I at points in my life would have possibly used the symbol. hell untill recently my profile pic was me half dead, but that doesn't make someone bad. my wife's name here is jaded_youth but she is one of the nicest people i have ever met.
02/26/2007 03:18:59 PM · #10
Originally posted by Elvis_L:

Originally posted by bfox2:

Not to justify the violence used by the police, but given the guys name and the fact that his avatar is an anarchy symbol, I find it hard to believe he is completly innocent in the matter.


hoenstly that is pretty judgmental. I at points in my life would have possibly used the symbol. hell untill recently my profile pic was me half dead, but that doesn't make someone bad. my wife's name here is jaded_youth but she is one of the nicest people i have ever met.


Be that as it may, it is how he's chosen to represent himself and given the limited information it's all I've got to judge him by. At the points in your life when you would have used that symbol would you have been the perfect model of obedience if confronted by a group of police? Maybe, maybe not. I know for me personally it would really depend on my mood at the time.

It's just something to think about: there may be more to the issue than the story that the photographer posted.
02/26/2007 03:19:25 PM · #11
Originally posted by fir3bird:

I love the way the officer on the right has his hand on his weapon.


Actually, if you look closer (and having worn a uniform), he is handling the volume on his radio. Nice try though.
02/26/2007 03:22:15 PM · #12
Originally posted by bfox2:

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

Originally posted by bfox2:

Not to justify the violence used by the police, but given the guys name and the fact that his avatar is an anarchy symbol, I find it hard to believe he is completly innocent in the matter.


hoenstly that is pretty judgmental. I at points in my life would have possibly used the symbol. hell untill recently my profile pic was me half dead, but that doesn't make someone bad. my wife's name here is jaded_youth but she is one of the nicest people i have ever met.


Be that as it may, it is how he's chosen to represent himself and given the limited information it's all I've got to judge him by. At the points in your life when you would have used that symbol would you have been the perfect model of obedience if confronted by a group of police? Maybe, maybe not. I know for me personally it would really depend on my mood at the time.

It's just something to think about: there may be more to the issue than the story that the photographer posted.


Excellent voice of reason.

It absolutely amazes me how the cops are always the first ones wrong. You won't hear the cops' side unless you get a copy of the police report. They don't blog, they don't post photos.
02/26/2007 03:22:41 PM · #13
Originally posted by bfox2:

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

Originally posted by bfox2:

Not to justify the violence used by the police, but given the guys name and the fact that his avatar is an anarchy symbol, I find it hard to believe he is completly innocent in the matter.


hoenstly that is pretty judgmental. I at points in my life would have possibly used the symbol. hell untill recently my profile pic was me half dead, but that doesn't make someone bad. my wife's name here is jaded_youth but she is one of the nicest people i have ever met.


Be that as it may, it is how he's chosen to represent himself and given the limited information it's all I've got to judge him by. At the points in your life when you would have used that symbol would you have been the perfect model of obedience if confronted by a group of police? Maybe, maybe not. I know for me personally it would really depend on my mood at the time.

It's just something to think about: there may be more to the issue than the story that the photographer posted.


i definantly agree that they is more to the story, and i have known people that were like that who would make things worse. I will say though that in my life i have seen many fights and several arrests while being in places like Nwe Orleans and Ybor city in Tampa and over 85% of them were started and or made worse by people that were dressed nice and looked very preppy not by people wearing all black.
02/26/2007 03:26:56 PM · #14
Originally posted by eac:

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Excellent voice of reason.

It absolutely amazes me how the cops are always the first ones wrong. You won't hear the cops' side unless you get a copy of the police report. They don't blog, they don't post photos.


very true but in life we are all judged by our worst momments (except those that have great momments) and companys (which the govt is) are judged by the worst employees. If you went to wal-mart and the cashier punched you you would think less of that company. if once per week you heard about a cashier at some wal-mart punching someone would you be more likey to believe a person that said it? would you be less likely to go to wal-mart? I know that most officers are godd and I really respect them but i also know that some do bad things so it make me leary.

Message edited by author 2007-02-26 15:27:44.
02/26/2007 03:35:12 PM · #15
Originally posted by eac:

Originally posted by fir3bird:

I love the way the officer on the right has his hand on his weapon.


Actually, if you look closer (and having worn a uniform), he is handling the volume on his radio. Nice try though.


Yup, your right. He's a lefty. Without zooming the image about 400 percent it was impossible to see this.
02/26/2007 03:36:54 PM · #16
Originally posted by Elvis_L:

I know that most officers are godd


Hmmmmmmm. Freudian slip??????
02/26/2007 03:37:42 PM · #17
Originally posted by fir3bird:

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

I know that most officers are godd


Hmmmmmmm. Freudian slip??????


nope i just type like shit:)

Message edited by author 2007-02-26 15:37:53.
02/26/2007 04:23:07 PM · #18
Just for clarification....

Those photos of the cops are of the Miami Police, not Miami-Dade Police (more correctly Metro Dade Police). The difference is that Miami Police have jurisdiction in Miami, and Metro Dade Police have jusrisdiction in unincorporated Dade County.

They are two completely different law enforcement agencies (of many) here in Dade County, but both are known to have numerous problems with there officers acting like they are omnipotent and above the law, and for using excessive force often.

Message edited by author 2007-02-26 16:24:10.
03/08/2007 06:14:34 PM · #19
UPDATE FROM MIAMI

Miami's local ABC affiliate, WPLG just reported on this incident a couple of minutes ago on the evening news. The coverage was fairly informative and switched back and forth from the reporter, to the police, and to the photographer.

The reporter stated the story and then coverage switched back and forth between statements from the Miami Police PR rep and then the response from the photographer. The 'slant' on the story seemed to favor the photographer who, with the help of the reporter, was pretty convincing that the Miami Police overstepped their boundaries by not allowing the photographic documentation of their day to day work by a photographer on public property.

The police asserted that the photographer was interfering with traffic to take his pictures, but the photos that he took clearly showed that the officers, not the photographer, were in the street.
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