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Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

02/08/2007 09:20:39 PM · #1

with all our technological capabilities to create magic, and all the hoaxes and scams in our modern world, what is your opinion, or rather, what do you think would happen, if someone claims to be god's messenger appeared today? imagine also, him performing some neat abilities or power.

next, what difference does it make, if that same person existed way back in the past? are people in the past more vulnerable?

TechnoShroom

Canon EOS-30D

02/08/2007 09:22:06 PM · #2

Most likely he would be locked up.

jenesis

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/08/2007 09:23:34 PM · #3

Originally posted by crayon:

...next, what difference does it make, if that same person existed way back in the past? are people in the past more vulnerable?

perhaps less cynical.

Blue Moon

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

02/08/2007 09:28:40 PM · #4

Originally posted by crayon:

Hmm, well...
1) I guess it depends on what you define as "magic". I define it as something impossible, and obviously nothing impossible exists.
2) He would be put in a psycho ward with a diagnosed god-complex.
3) What powers would he have? I guess flying or walking on water might get some people's attention. But people will call that a hoax because David Blaine can fake weird stuff like that. If he had impossible power, he would likely be experimented on by the government and possibly be killed.
4) What do you mean by vulnerable? Do you mean impressionable?

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

02/08/2007 09:34:34 PM · #5

I think hed rightly be cast off as a crazy person and i have no idea why people will believe something because it happened 2,000 years ago when people weren't as advanced and easier to trick and not just believe it, but believe it whithout question. i shouldnt get started because i just get worked up...

super-dave

Nikon D200

02/08/2007 09:36:05 PM · #6

Originally posted by jenesis:

Originally posted by crayon:
...next, what difference does it make, if that same person existed way back in the past? are people in the past more vulnerable?

perhaps less cynical.

perhaps more gullible.

RainMotorsports

Nikon D60

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR

02/08/2007 09:36:24 PM · #7

I'm sure by now we've killed every sequential Jesus that god might have sent

.... but that doesn't matter we also killed the first one!

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

02/08/2007 09:37:25 PM · #8

Originally posted by jenesis:

Originally posted by crayon:
...next, what difference does it make, if that same person existed way back in the past? are people in the past more vulnerable?

perhaps less cynical.

or maybe more in need of an explination that sience at that time couldnt give them

Chinabun

Canon PowerShot SD990 IS

02/08/2007 09:47:00 PM · #9

heres what i think.........they are psycho

i laugh at all the holy rollers who actually believe in the anti-christ and how the devil is coming to get us. This is like the most insane thing i've ever heard. It scares me that so many people believe and follow something that they dont even know exists. Some people cant even trust their own flesh and blood but yet they'll believe what they read in a book written by people they dont know.

At least with science there's somewhat proof, but to follow a book that was written yeeeeaaarrrrssss ago and to interpret what you think it believes? Gimme a break!

I dont know how we got here (the thought boggles my mind), but if you ask me.....David Blaine is your man LOL.

super-dave

Nikon D200

02/08/2007 09:51:53 PM · #10

Originally posted by Chinabun:

heres what i think.........they are psycho

i think that's a bit harsh. i understand your opinion. but it's a bit strong mate! :)

i'm not a person of faith, but i understand the profound effect and value faith has for many people. i think it's largely a human trait that will always exist. people have always had faith in supernatural gods ... the biggest civilisations in history are based on beliefs in gods.

i'm cool with that, if that's what people choose to believe.

i'm not cool with people knocking on my door trying to convert me to their way of thinking.

Chinabun

Canon PowerShot SD990 IS

02/08/2007 09:56:56 PM · #11

i was calling the fakers psycho, ya know the people who think they are what they are not?

Originally posted by super-dave:

Originally posted by Chinabun:
heres what i think.........they are psycho

i think that's a bit harsh. i understand your opinion. but it's a bit strong mate! :)

i'm not a person of faith, but i understand the profound effect and value faith has for many people. i think it's largely a human trait that will always exist. people have always had faith in supernatural gods ... the biggest civilisations in history are based on beliefs in gods.

i'm cool with that, if that's what people choose to believe.

i'm not cool with people knocking on my door trying to convert me to their way of thinking.

Message edited by author 2007-02-08 21:59:38.

02/08/2007 09:57:52 PM · #12

Originally posted by super-dave:

maybe not psycho, but definitely in need of a crutch to lean on and a little crazy

Message edited by author 2007-02-08 21:58:13.

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

02/08/2007 10:04:05 PM · #13

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

I'm sure by now we've killed every sequential Jesus that god might have sent

.... but that doesn't matter we also killed the first one!

funny, but that's exactly what my buddy and i were discussing over a few drinks the other night. we were both able to treat religion and it's history strictly as a study topic, so it was highly interesting when we tried to analyze and came out with different theories of the possibilities. what also followed was the human psychology of accepting truth from people they highly trusted, like a parent, or spouse; and we included how the loop could not be broken since we have no way of validating history.

Message edited by author 2007-02-08 22:05:45.

GKPhotos

Nikon D3100

02/08/2007 10:15:44 PM · #14

Originally posted by crayon:

1.It's only magic because it can't be explained in terms which we understand.

2. As the song lyric says "Would Jesus wear a Rolex on his television show?", Ray Stevens

3. Whether you think it's real or not right now. What are you gonna do if it turns out to be true?

RainMotorsports

Nikon D60

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR

02/08/2007 10:18:30 PM · #15

Originally posted by Egor:

Originally posted by crayon:
with all our technological capabilities to create magic, and all the hoaxes and scams in our modern world, what is your opinion, or rather, what do you think would happen, if someone claims to be god's messenger appeared today? imagine also, him performing some neat abilities or power.

next, what difference does it make, if that same person existed way back in the past? are people in the past more vulnerable?

1.It's only magic because it can't be explained in terms which we understand.

2. As the song lyric says "Would Jesus wear a Rolex on his television show?", Ray Stevens

3. Whether you think it's real or not right now. What are you gonna do if it turns out to be true?

3 - ENd up in hell?

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/08/2007 10:18:42 PM · #16

Nothing like human nature to get a few people in a room laughing at something 3 billion people believe on some level...

Someone put this in Rant please...

sabphoto

Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+

02/08/2007 10:20:41 PM · #17

to the OP...are you talking about a messenger from God as in "hi guys, I have the truth for you" or are you talking about someone actually coming back and saying he is Jesus? Cause when Jesus comes back there won't be any questions or time for doubting, it will just be over and those that don't believe will be left.

and sorry if the below section tends to rant...
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Originally posted by Chinabun:

...i laugh at all the holy rollers who actually believe in the anti-christ and how the devil is coming to get us. This is like the most insane thing i've ever heard. It scares me that so many people believe and follow something that they dont even know exists. Some people cant even trust their own flesh and blood but yet they'll believe what they read in a book written by people they dont know.

At least with science there's somewhat proof, but to follow a book that was written yeeeeaaarrrrssss ago and to interpret what you think it believes? Gimme a break!

I dont know how we got here (the thought boggles my mind), but if you ask me.....David Blaine is your man LOL.

Maybe people don't trust their own flesh and blood because we are exactly that...flesh and blood. Created with our own will and most of the time that will is not nice. Man (and woman), will cheat, steal, kill, rape etc to get what they "think" they deserve. God however is not flesh and blood, He is better and shown that He is better than us.

You say they follow what was written in a book years ago by people they don't know...let me ask you this...Do you believe that George Washington lived? That he was President of the US? That he was a great general? Why, have you ever met him, seen him have actually tangible proof that he exsited and isn't just someone written in a book to make us feel better about our history? Someone that we can look up to and believe? Sure you believe in him cause he's of "our" time and there for he must be real.

What scares me is all the people that have to have a scientific reason for everything and can't accept things just the way they are and have to bash others if they don't see it that way it scares me cause they will never accept the truth.
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I will sign off with lyrics from a song...read them, really think about them and wonder about the consequences if you are wrong.

Nichole Nordeman - What If
From the album Brave

What if you�re right?
And he was just another nice guy
What if you�re right?
What if it�s true?
They say the cross will only make a fool of you
And what if it�s true?

What if he takes his palace in history
With all the prophets and the kings
Who taught us love and came in peace
But then the story ends
What then?

(Chours)
But what if you�re wrong?
What if there�s more?
What if there�s hope you never dreamed of hoping for?
What if you jump?
And just close your eyes?
What if the arms that catch you, catch you by surprise?
What if He�s more than enough?
What if it�s love?

What if you dig, What if you dig
Way down deeper than your simple-minded friends
What if you dig?
What if you find
A thousand more unanswered questions inside
That�s all you find

What if you pick apart the logic
And begin to poke the holes
What if the crown of thorns is no more
Then folklore that must be told and retold

(Chours)

You�ve been running as fast as you can
You�ve been looking for a place you can land so long
But what if you�re wrong?

What if you jump?
And just close your eyes?
What if the arms that catch you, catch you by surprise?
What if He�s more than enough?
What if it�s love?

RainMotorsports

Nikon D60

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR

02/08/2007 10:24:42 PM · #18

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Nothing like human nature to get a few people in a room laughing at something 3 billion people believe on some level...

Someone put this in Rant please...

3 billion out of 65 billion? Heh any Christian faith is screwed hells gonna be crowded in their eyes

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/08/2007 10:27:35 PM · #19

Originally posted by sabphoto:

yes, jesus would be considered one of the messengers of god, if you believed in christianity. i would prefer to have this topic discussed in general, because many religions would have their own version of god's messenger, and they proved themselves differently. and that is what makes it interesting - but of course, only if you have a mind open enough to not take this on a personal (or religious) level. humans are highly sensitive about the things they believed in.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

02/08/2007 10:27:40 PM · #20

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Nothing like human nature to get a few people in a room laughing at something 3 billion people believe on some level...

Someone put this in Rant please...

3 billion out of 65 billion? Heh any Christian faith is screwed hells gonna be crowded in their eyes

You don't need me to point out the typo do you? Witty replies are always so much less poignant when marred by error...

mpeters

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/08/2007 10:28:09 PM · #21

65B??????

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/08/2007 10:30:36 PM · #22

Originally posted by mpeters:

65B??????

I think he was counting everybody's fingers and forgot to divide by 10...

02/08/2007 10:31:20 PM · #23

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

3 billion out of 65 billion? Heh any Christian faith is screwed hells gonna be crowded in their eyes

lets get back on topic, guys. lets not start another mac vs windows debate in here.