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11/01/2003 06:39:28 AM · #1
266mm (426mm effective) focal length
using AI servo for focus
white haze at bottom is from the fence.
the bad angle is because I was expecting to have the rider thrown off the oppisite direction, and had the bull on the left, when he fell I started zooming out, then the bull came flying at him again, and threw him in the air, so I quickly aimed it up and twisted in from about 50mm to that (266mm) as quickly as I could hoping to get it.

extremely happy, but you can see how the bad angle from twisting and rushing so fast hurt it...
any help on it would be appreciated..

-just auto levels, minor unsharp mask, rotated, cropped and resized
-direct from the camera, resized

Thanks

Message edited by author 2003-11-01 20:25:09.
11/01/2003 12:16:42 PM · #2
Very nice, cvt. The new version is much nicer - it's even and the colors are very nice.

Just wondering...would a slight blur to the background help the bull and cowboy stand out a bit more?

Edit:

cvt, hope you don't mind... I did a quick and sloppy blur to the background to see what it would look like. Here's the link to the pic.


Picture

Message edited by author 2003-11-01 12:36:47.
11/01/2003 01:46:52 PM · #3
The first looks technically better (colors, composition), but on the original photo are more people faces seen and it is a part of effect and that’s why there is more life.
11/01/2003 02:02:20 PM · #4
i agree with kinks that the 2nd photo has a better composition. i like that the picture is slightly rotated since it emphasizes the rider falling off the bull.

i would suggest, cropping a little off the bottom to get rid of the haze. and doing somthing like what butterflysis did to help the rider stick out from the picture.
11/01/2003 02:09:17 PM · #5
Butterflysis, I did the same thing. I like yours better. I used to much gaussion blur.

My try at it.


Nice shots, cvt!

Message edited by author 2003-11-01 14:09:51.
11/01/2003 02:15:37 PM · #6
Great shot! Especially since this was your first outing shooting such action.

I do prefer the blurred background, as it really does make the subject 'pop' and doesn't draw so much attention to the onlookers.
11/01/2003 08:09:07 PM · #7
Thanks for the comments/help everyone!

heres my attempt at redoing it with all the suggested (cut off haze, blur background)


11/01/2003 08:24:45 PM · #8
Ohhh, I had to take a try at this...



Message edited by author 2003-11-01 23:17:36.
11/01/2003 11:03:54 PM · #9
personally i think the blur is very unnecessary. i also think you should reconsider the rotation that you chose. the angle, intentional or not really creates motion in the shot and the lines work better

Message edited by author 2003-11-01 23:06:28.
11/01/2003 11:17:57 PM · #10
Originally posted by kirbic:

Ohhh, I had to take a try at this...



cvt~I like the one with the different angle. I love the feel of it. Try blurry that one out like you did the other and let's see what it looks like.

This has been fun and a great learning experience. :-)

11/02/2003 01:43:16 AM · #11
Take 3:



I spent some more time and effort on doing this one, then rotaed and cropped at the end (not the start like last time (bad idea :/))

keep the comments comming.
I really don't know which is better, I like seeing the faces in the background, but having it flat is technically better.

Thanks for the help!
slowly filling my portfolio with junk :)

I blurred the clown (bull wrestler???) as he, in my opinion wasn't a point of intrest in the image.
I see kirbic did, courious to know what other people think of this aswell?


Message edited by author 2003-11-02 01:49:19.
11/02/2003 02:35:37 AM · #12


I couldn't miss the fun. Another take on it.

Keeps your attention on the main subjects and still get the overall picture of the background.

Message edited by author 2003-11-02 03:01:21.
11/02/2003 02:50:06 AM · #13


I hope you don't mind if I have some more fun with your pic ;) Twister version. A bit of radial blur applied.

Message edited by author 2003-11-02 02:53:37.
11/02/2003 03:02:39 AM · #14
ignoring faido here :p

would it help if..
where I am blurring the background, except the bull and rider...
seperate the wrestler aswell.
no blur on rider or bull.
mild even blur on the wrestler
and the gradient blur on the background as I have now.

thourghts?
I'd like to be able to get some prints of this ;)
11/02/2003 03:25:02 AM · #15

That in particular??

3072x1838 px used in the origional of that, and I have all the edges fine..

anything else I could do to improve it??
or is that about it?

archiral: only reason for the blur is to make the rider stand out from the back.
the 4 people I shown the origional too, only one of them noticed the rider, and it took the others a little while to notice it, because he didn;t really stand out.
although I prefer the whole image sharp, it unfortuatly didn;t work real well :(
11/02/2003 11:45:17 AM · #16
cvt, you got the edges better than I did, I certainly need more practice with this technique. A couple things I think would improve the image even more are...

- Keep the gound under the bull sharper, with blur both in front and in back. I used two gradients in quick mask mode in my attempt at this, tried to make it look at least somewhat like natural DoF blurring.

- I adjusted curves on the bull to darken him just a bit & raise contrast, and dodged a little on the rider, to bring up some of the shadow detail and differentiate him from the background.

This has been alot of fun, it's a perfect photo to work on these techniques. Thanks for starting the thread cvt!
11/02/2003 10:02:43 PM · #17
I just did one with 3 constants and 1 gradient, much more realistic

bull and rider is sharp, wrestlyer is light blur
gradient blur on ground.
constand blur for back wall
and constant blur on people.

its not really that noticable, but looks real.

I'll post it in a sec.

The way I did the edges was.

magnetic lasoo around subject, going for it being a little wide, than it being a little tight, if it jumps.
I then went with the smudge, viewd my person ont he overlay, editing the one below, and smudged the blur in, to give it a sharper edge.

I then went around with a blur brush, editing only my top layer, with a 20px diameter circle faded brush, blurred the edge where it looked a bit too sharp, ever so slightly so it didn;t look "glued" on top.

took a bit of effort, but looks excellent and "real" in the end!

I don;t mind if people have a play with the image, it is actually a good one to try that type of thing on ;)



Message edited by author 2003-11-03 02:41:30.
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