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10/05/2006 08:15:00 PM · #1
...on my first attempt. I was totally not expecting to have all 10 images pass. Yay!

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10/05/2006 08:35:54 PM · #2
How long did it take from the day you mailed the disk till today?

Btw, good for you!

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10/05/2006 09:43:31 PM · #3
Best of Luck!!
The last DVD of 140 pics never made it thru the mail to Alamy, make sure you keep a backup. I sent it in again and it still took almost three weeks before they logged it in. That wasted well over a month just waiting for the first not to be found.

Good luck!!
10/05/2006 11:21:52 PM · #4
I mailed my cd on or about Sept 14th or so. The site says they received it on Sept. 19th and I know it took about 5 days to show up after I mailed it to them. Then it took from Sept. 19th til Oct. 5th to go thru the QC process.

As for backups...I have a directory on my server for each site that I submit to. Under each folder are other folders marked submitted, rejected, and accepted. The images stay in the submitted folder until they are rejected or accepted. Under the rejected folder, I break it down into reasons such as noise, focus, lighting, crop. If it's for noise, I clean them up and resubmit. Right now I have a dirctory called Alamy with one directory beneath it marked First 10. I'm really meticulous when it comes to keeping my images organized and knowing where my original files are. :)

Message edited by author 2006-10-05 23:26:03.
10/05/2006 11:28:53 PM · #5
wait, they didn't have any problem with you selling stuff on the microstock sites??
10/06/2006 12:43:31 AM · #6
I decided to keep my images up on the other sites until I heard back from Alamy. Now that I know I'm accepted, I'll pull the images I have on Alamy off the micro sites. :)
10/06/2006 12:56:35 AM · #7
Wave,

They don't care (unless that changed reciently) but the side effect of selling on both is that Alamy tends to attract more serious buyers, who are often interested in somewhat exclusive licences. For example, an advert buyer will want to make sure his competetor doesn't use the same photo, so they will pay more to you in order to get exclusive use of it for a year or whatever. Which you can't promise them if you have <> had a photo on a royalty-free site.
10/06/2006 04:28:32 AM · #8
Originally posted by livitup:

Wave,

They don't care (unless that changed reciently) but the side effect of selling on both is that Alamy tends to attract more serious buyers, who are often interested in somewhat exclusive licences. For example, an advert buyer will want to make sure his competetor doesn't use the same photo, so they will pay more to you in order to get exclusive use of it for a year or whatever. Which you can't promise them if you have <> had a photo on a royalty-free site.


Not quite - some people choose to have their best stuff on Alamy and other images on microstock... as long as they are quite different images there is no problem IMHO. It would be inappropriate to have similar or identical shots on both I think...
10/06/2006 05:40:13 AM · #9
Yep, that was my plan...to take my most popular images and move them over to Alamy. If I have similar pics, I'll probably move them over as well.



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10/06/2006 12:10:04 PM · #10
Originally posted by TG73:

Yep, that was my plan...to take my most popular images and move them over to Alamy. If I have similar pics, I'll probably move them over as well.


Okay, that's the exact opposite of what is kosher here.

Your most popular images have been downloaded and use who knows how many times, and then some big corprate buyer is going to acquire an exclusive license assuming that the photo has never and will not be used by another company.

You're heading straight for trouble. Rights managed and royalty free just aren't in the same league for stock photography. You can't play fast and loose with the rights managed images, because someone, someday is going to find their photograph that they have leased from you being used in another advert somewhere. At that point they're probably going to get pissed and demand their money back because you're breaking the contract. (as I percieve the situation)
10/06/2006 02:14:25 PM · #11
Originally posted by Leok:

Not quite - some people choose to have their best stuff on Alamy and other images on microstock... as long as they are quite different images there is no problem IMHO. It would be inappropriate to have similar or identical shots on both I think...


You are right. I made a typo in my response. Replace "a photo" with "that photo" in my first response, and that's what I meant to say. :)

Let's not start the micro- macro- debate again, though.
10/06/2006 02:21:04 PM · #12
Originally posted by wavelength:

You're heading straight for trouble. Rights managed and royalty free just aren't in the same league for stock photography. You can't play fast and loose with the rights managed images, because someone, someday is going to find their photograph that they have leased from you being used in another advert somewhere. At that point they're probably going to get pissed and demand their money back because you're breaking the contract. (as I percieve the situation)


Actually, Alamy lets you sell images as royalty-free as well, they just charge a lot more for the photo.

You are only under the obligation of the contract. I can sell a rights managed photo to an advert buyer without any exclusivity and would be perfectly legal to sell the same photo to their competitor... as long as neither one requested (and paid for) exclusive rights. Rights Managed != exclusive use.

The main difference between the two is that RM you get to charge based on usage, and RF you charge a flat rate irregardless of usage. RM licence agreements can run the gamut from small fees for non-profits printing 100 brochures to thousands of dollars for lifetime exclusive rights and a national print campaign. Another important thing to note is that exclusive use != perpetual use. If I sell a photo to an advert agency with exculusive use, I only promise never to sell it to anyone else for the amount of time specified. If they licence it the first time for a magazine run of 500,000 issues, and the ad is so successful they want to run it in another magazine, their exclusive contract doesn't let them reuse it for free. They have to sign another licence for the second run.

Someone should really start a seminar on this stuff.
10/06/2006 04:13:04 PM · #13
So for everyone who started out with microstock sites and eventually moved up, it's still bad form to delete all your images off the micros and sell them on the macros instead? I think it's a bit presumptuous for a company to assume the picture was never available elsewhere before it was brought to Alamy.

edited to add: I didn't select Rights Managed for my license type. I chose the non-exclusive option (L). But I am still going to remove my images from the micros due to the conflict of interest it causes.

Message edited by author 2006-10-06 16:44:02.
10/06/2006 10:33:54 PM · #14
RF is free for whoever buys it to use it unlimited times. RM is not exclusive, it only means that the photo can be used for a specific purpose for a specified amount of time. Any number of photo purchasers can buy the RM or RF at the same time. The only time exclusive comes into play is if you click the box that gives Alamy the exclusive right to sell or the buyer the exclusive right to use it. Yes it is poor taste to put the same photo on the dollar sites and high end stock sites.
10/06/2006 11:30:55 PM · #15
Thanks for the clarification guys, learn something new every day.
10/07/2006 12:16:23 PM · #16
Originally posted by TG73:

So for everyone who started out with microstock sites and eventually moved up, it's still bad form to delete all your images off the micros and sell them on the macros instead?

In my mind, yes.

Put yourself in the position of the customer who just paid $500 to use one of your ex-micro photos, only to find that the company next door picked up the same image for a dollar.

Ultimately though, it's an entirely personal decision - I don't believe Alamy has any position on it.
10/07/2006 02:08:48 PM · #17
Originally posted by TG73:

So for everyone who started out with microstock sites and eventually moved up, it's still bad form to delete all your images off the micros and sell them on the macros instead? I think it's a bit presumptuous for a company to assume the picture was never available elsewhere before it was brought to Alamy.

edited to add: I didn't select Rights Managed for my license type. I chose the non-exclusive option (L). But I am still going to remove my images from the micros due to the conflict of interest it causes.


And watch out for similars. Think of it as a chain, if a buyer pays for use of one image and the others (same light/subject/similar activity or pose) are being used by competitors...find out your agency's policy on similars.
10/09/2006 07:48:58 PM · #18
Well, I'm up and ready to go, I guess. My initial 10 became available today. Yay.
10/22/2006 10:00:23 AM · #19
Originally posted by ganders:

Originally posted by TG73:

So for everyone who started out with microstock sites and eventually moved up, it's still bad form to delete all your images off the micros and sell them on the macros instead?

In my mind, yes.

Put yourself in the position of the customer who just paid $500 to use one of your ex-micro photos, only to find that the company next door picked up the same image for a dollar.

Ultimately though, it's an entirely personal decision - I don't believe Alamy has any position on it.


It's all part of a free-market economy. As long as it isn't a legal or contractual issue, you can do whatever you want without feeling you have a conflict of interest. It's up to the customer to do his or her own research and due diligence. I say that as a photographer, an occasional customer and a business professor. (I'm probably one of the few people who has both a photography degree and an MBA.)

As for myself, I'm just returning to the world of stock, after a seven year absence. A lot has changed. I'm currently in that excruciating period at Alamy between "Received" and initial QC.

I will never place my photos with a micro-agency EVER, as I believe it undermines the industry. But that is a personal choice. We are all economic free agents.
10/25/2006 10:26:02 PM · #20
I got a stupid question that has nothing to do really with this whole discussion on Kosherness... but sinc eI'm shopping for where to put up my stuff I thought I'd ask. What's the average selling price on Alamy? I mean what is the most popular package clients take... the high-end all the bells and whistles or the lower end? I'm just trying to figure out (about) how much i can make from a sell on there.
10/27/2006 03:02:09 AM · #21
The average I've seen from the posts around here, it looks to be somewhere around $200 a sale. I've still only got my initial 10 online right now at Alamy so I haven't had any sales yet. I'm about to send in a disk of approx. 300 images, so hopefully I'll know more soon.

Anyone who's actually sold an image wanna chime in?

Message edited by author 2006-10-27 03:02:21.
11/05/2006 08:01:35 AM · #22
I haven't sold any images yet, but it honestly depends on several factors: Licenced (Rights Managed) or Royalty Free, and image size.

Alamy just put my first 10 test images up, now available for sale. Here are the prices for one of the RF ones, based on file size:

File Pixel Price
Size Dimensions
48.3 MB 5038 x 3350 US $ 330.00
27.2 MB 3778 x 2512 US $ 285.00
15.3 MB 2834 x 1884 US $ 220.00
3.8 MB 1417 x 942 US $ 170.00
0.9 MB 680 x 452 US $ 85.00
11/05/2006 09:29:11 AM · #23
there's a great, huge, ongoing thread about alamy that answers most questions here.

just fyi. :)

ps -- congrats!

pps -- one of my qualification images sold for $ 285.00.
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