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10/01/2003 09:14:16 PM · #1 |
Down among the ill-conceived, out-of-focus, pixelated snapshots at the bottom of the At Rest challenge results I found this image.
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=38401
It is Kay's first submission to DPC after joining on September 9th, 2003. It scored under 3.4
Shame on you 75 DPCers that gave this nice portrait a 1 or a 2. You are incredibly narrow minded.
It was unmercifully trashed because it "did not meet the challenge". Maybe this is cultural but if you cannot see a look of inner calm within this subject then you need to open your eyes. This meets the challenge as well as any.
Kay, I apologize to you for this travesty and hope it does not discourage you from further participation.
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10/01/2003 09:41:23 PM · #2 |
Hmmm...
It's not a bad portrait. I think you are noble in your attempt to make this person feel better about the low score.
The problem is that a lot of voters, unfortunately, take the challenge topic into consideration when they vote. With nearly 300 photos in a challenge, any particular photo that doesn't jump out and scream at the voter is not gonna get a second glance. Welcome to reality.
No matter how well done a photo is, a strong tie-in to the challenge is required.
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10/01/2003 09:55:57 PM · #3 |
I gave it a "4" because it was a pretty good portrait shot, but unfortunately did quite meet the challenge. The lowest score I gave out on this challenge was a "3".
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10/01/2003 10:11:19 PM · #4 |
| To me the pic said "model" not "at rest"... |
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10/01/2003 10:33:06 PM · #5 |
Her eyes are wide open. I just dont see at rest. At all. I gave it a 3.
That being said, its a great picture. Just not for this contest. |
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10/01/2003 10:59:24 PM · #6 |
I didn't vote, so I can't tell you what score I gave it, and I really don't know what I would have given it.
Looking at it, I think the shot is done extremely well. That said, I cannot stretch my brain enough to see how this meets the challenge, which is what those 1's and 2's were probably saying. If only a handful of people had said that (with their vote), perhaps it could be ignored, but that was a substantial amount of people. There may be a message there. It is a good shot, I think, but not for "At Rest." Like one commenter said, it looks very intense. The wide eyed direct stare gives a feeling of tension, not peace.
Cultural misinterpretation? Perhaps. My eyes are open, and this picture looks like the opposite of inner calm to me.
Message edited by author 2003-10-01 23:19:50.
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10/01/2003 11:26:02 PM · #7 |
I'd agree with most that it just doesn't fit the challenge at all. Almost like it was submitted to the wrong challenge. When I vote, fitting the challenge topic is my number one criteria in voting.
If the challenge was "Portraits" I'd probably give the image a 6. I like the black and white which fits well with her dark hair and shirt, but the whites are blown out a little too much for me. And since the challenge was "At Rest" I'd give it a 4 (maybe a 3) because it doesn't fit the challenge in any wild stretch of the imagination (IMHO of course).
So for my voting, not fitting the challenge usually results in 2 to 3 points subtracted from what I'd give it if it did fit the challenge. I think that might even be a little generous. Those 1's and 2's are probably just people who aren't as generous as I am. :)
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10/01/2003 11:48:56 PM · #8 |
| Wow, the score was unfortunate. I gave it a 5 because it's really nice, but like others, didn't think it adequately portrayed at rest. |
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10/06/2003 03:01:20 PM · #9 |
I don't feel any shame in giving that shot the four that I did. I too like it, but do to the fact that it doesn't meet the challenge and there are numerous other challenges in which this person could have submitted it, or perhaps just had in their profile, I did not think it merited a high mark. I'm sorry that the photographer got such a low score their first try but it just didn't ring in the idea of at rest. And these challenges are named individually for a reason.
I have to admit though, that is a way to get noticed.
Good luck next time. |
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10/06/2003 03:10:42 PM · #10 |
agree with everyone else. well done portrait / doesnt meet challenge ..
doesnt make it a bad picture ..
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10/06/2003 03:17:03 PM · #11 |
Fashion models are typically photographed in constant motion by photographers with fast motor-drives.
This model was SITTING for a portrait.
Are all you lexiphiles now going to try and say that "sitting" and "at rest" are insufficiently synonymous to meet the challenge? Mr. Clinton would be proud .... |
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10/06/2003 03:47:47 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
This model was SITTING for a portrait.
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How do you know that? And more importantly, how is the voter supposed to know that? There is nothing in the portrait to indicate what the other parts of the model's body are doing.
Finally, the challenge brief specifically asked for a "feeling of calm". I don't get that from this portrait, as nice as it is. |
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10/06/2003 04:06:03 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
This model was SITTING for a portrait.
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How do you know that? And more importantly, how is the voter supposed to know that? There is nothing in the portrait to indicate what the other parts of the model's body are doing.
Finally, the challenge brief specifically asked for a "feeling of calm". I don't get that from this portrait, as nice as it is. |
You miss my point -- her body position is irrelevant. The term "to sit for" is an artistic synonym for "to pose for." One "sits" for a portrait even if standing. Therefore, it "meets the challenge" by the strictest dictionary definition.
How effectively it meets the challenge is then a matter of opinion, and I agree she looks a bit animated -- some half-closed eyes might have conveyed calm better. |
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10/06/2003 04:06:13 PM · #14 |
I think the fact that 21/25 of the comments posted on the picture question whether the shot meets the challenge pretty much says it all... as Jeff Probst would say, "The Tribe Has Spoken."
Message edited by author 2003-10-06 16:07:16. |
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10/06/2003 04:08:54 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by alansfreed:
I think the fact that 21/25 of the comments posted on the picture question whether the shot meets the challenge pretty much says it all... as Jeff Probst would say, "The Tribe Has Spoken." |
Yeah, it says that the 115 or so people who have it a vote of 4 or above (but maybe didn't comment) had no problem with it "meeting the challenge." |
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10/06/2003 04:52:07 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Yeah, it says that the 115 or so people who have it a vote of 4 or above (but maybe didn't comment) had no problem with it "meeting the challenge." |
Or they didn't bother commenting that they didn't feel it met the challenge. I don't think any of us can read the minds of people who didn't comment. (I'm feeling particuarly argumentative today :)
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10/06/2003 04:58:28 PM · #17 |
I didn't comment because it was clearly not a real attempt to meet the challenge and compete. I gave it a 2 because it did not meet the challenge, either intentionally or not. The look on the model's face, the stark blown-out whites, and the resemblance to Michael Jackson all added unrest to the image.
Message edited by author 2003-10-06 16:58:57.
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