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10/01/2003 05:03:57 AM · #1
There was a 'meeting the challenge' thread not long ago:

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=43279

A lot of back and forth about how much voting is influenced by whether the pic meets the challenge.

Now, we get to a very touch and go topic - Irony. Obviously, everyone's sense of humor is different, as is their sense of irony.

Question: How do you vote if you dont perceive the irony in the pic? Do you simply comment 'No irony' and be done with it? (Yes, that's one comment I've received.)

Personally: I think it's a matter of perception, to the point that if I can see WHY the person thought they were capturing the topic, but I personally didnt agree, then I'd vote normally. After all, I'm voting on how the photographer interpreted the challenge, not how I interpret it (along with pic quality, of course). If I can't see any attempt at meeting the challenge at all, then I vote lower.

Problem: What if it goes over my head completely, but is a valid attempt? Well, if I cant see even a glimpse of the topic in the photo, it hasnt really captured the topic at all then.

Conclusion: I'm hoping that (but not happy if) the scores I'm getting ( < 5's ) are from people not agreeing with my attempt at irony, rather than the quality of my photo.

Message edited by author 2003-10-01 05:47:37.
10/01/2003 05:13:05 AM · #2
I agree in part. This challenge, unlike many, has a very ambiguous definition. Irony has more than one meaning, and many interpetations therein. I'm giving more leeway than normal for "interpetation of challenge", and, if I'm not sure, leaving a message with a chance for that person to explain. If I get a good explanation that sheds some light on my perplexity, I can still change my vote. Some who have english as a second language could be given some slack, because some english speakers can't even seem to grasp the meaning of "Irony", so how much less those who don't?
10/01/2003 05:47:52 AM · #3
About language. For example, in Estonian language we have the same word, but I am sure all people do not understand the meaning same way.

Other thing is quality of the picture. I try always to think about it too, but here are also different meanings. Is very popular to make B&W pictures, it seems like a real art for many people. Actually it is easy to do with Photoshop and it is also question of mood. Mostly, when I am a good mood (and mostly it is so) I like colors.

I think on this challenge are 2 different good categories:
1. good idea and good accomplishment
2. a good luck to find funny moment
10/01/2003 07:39:39 AM · #4
I think the problem is that voters are only looking at the thumbs. My shot you wouldn't be able to see the real irony without looking at it closer. So, the irony now is the raters not really taking time to look at our photos. Van
10/01/2003 07:47:08 AM · #5
Originally posted by vtruan:

I think the problem is that voters are only looking at the thumbs. My shot you wouldn't be able to see the real irony without looking at it closer. So, the irony now is the raters not really taking time to look at our photos. Van

It's not possible to cast your initial vote without looking at the large image.
10/01/2003 07:50:07 AM · #6
If that's so, I blew that thought, didn't I. Or, do the voters not let the total photo reveal itself before voting? Van

Message edited by author 2003-10-01 07:51:23.
10/01/2003 07:58:11 AM · #7
i know there's at least one tensed-up, overacademic, sphincter out there who is going through telling everyone their shots arent irony. . .

Looks like some people forget that this is a photography contest, not a dictionary contest. Hey if that's all they have in life, I guess I can let 'em have it .. :P

Message edited by author 2003-10-01 07:58:57.
10/01/2003 08:01:33 AM · #8
Originally posted by magnetic9999:

i know there's at least one tensed-up, overacademic, sphincter out there who is going through telling everyone their shots arent irony. . .

Maybe the irony of these shots is they don't meet the challenge? ;-)))
10/01/2003 08:03:59 AM · #9
Originally posted by magnetic9999:

i know there's at least one tensed-up, overacademic, sphincter out there who is going through telling everyone their shots arent irony. . .

Looks like some people forget that this is a photography contest, not a dictionary contest. Hey if that's all they have in life, I guess I can let 'em have it .. :P


lol, I don't think he's making too many friends today.
10/01/2003 08:06:01 AM · #10
how's your sphincter today ? ; )

Originally posted by PaulMdx:

Originally posted by magnetic9999:

i know there's at least one tensed-up, overacademic, sphincter out there who is going through telling everyone their shots arent irony. . .

Maybe the irony of these shots is they don't meet the challenge? ;-)))

10/01/2003 09:27:28 AM · #11
got my first "it's a cop out" comment... ah well. Given the time I put in on the shot. It's pretty insulting.

I'm not leaving any doesn't meet the challenge comments. Just voting on the quality of image in this one,,
10/01/2003 09:41:54 AM · #12
I found myself voting ruthlessly in this challenge - no tolerance for irons or photos that had no irony to them at all. I've never given out so many low numbers before, but I do think we need to attempt to meet the meaning of the challenge with our entries. If I marked you low, don't be discouraged, it might have been a beautiful shot, just not ironic as I understand the word.
10/01/2003 09:48:36 AM · #13
Oh, and while I'm ranting - and this has probably been discussed to death before - taking a photo of text to make your point sort of admits failure to acheive the goal photographically in my personal opinion. It's not an essay contest but a photo contest, and a photo of an essay just doesn't do it for me. Am I an uptight eggheaded sphincter or what?
10/01/2003 09:59:07 AM · #14
yes 10 for self definition, definitely meets the challenge

Message edited by author 2003-10-01 10:01:55.
10/01/2003 10:05:48 AM · #15
lol - thanks for your honest appraisal sslickk.
10/01/2003 10:22:46 AM · #16
your welcome,, <>
10/01/2003 10:54:11 AM · #17
I have to agree with Steven to a certain extent. I came over to this site from other photography contest sites specifically because I like the idea of having to meet a challenge theme. If you ever do commercial work (I haven't, by the way, at least as a photographer) you need to meet the client's requirements. If you try shoehorn a shot that you like into meeting a given challenge, it'll likely show in the scores. As to puns, I appreciate a clever visual pun, but I can see where people can think it's a cop out. I tried it on my At Rest entry and was pummeled for it. Such is life. Move on to the next challenge.


10/01/2003 11:08:54 AM · #18
Well, dsa157, if it's any consolation, I loved the idea of your at rest photo and rated very highly. To me, that captured rest much better than a lazy cat. (no offense to all the cat photographers) ;)
10/01/2003 11:36:37 AM · #19
I'm about one third of the way thru the Irony shots and have decided to try looking at them without seeing the title by clicking and closing my eyes and scrolling down to the bottom of the page while the pic loads. If I need to scroll back up and see the title to find the irony, it scores a bit lower. I am pleased that some people did a very good job on a subject I had great difficulty with.
10/01/2003 12:06:50 PM · #20
I have already recieved not met challeng remarks as well. So here is the definition that I went with, and here is the image. If I didn't interpret right, oops.
Irony- Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs.

Message edited by author 2003-10-01 12:12:12.
10/01/2003 12:10:41 PM · #21
sorry.

Message edited by author 2003-10-01 12:11:27.
10/01/2003 12:31:15 PM · #22
After viewing all entries (and the comments on two submitted images I am aware of) to this challenge, I'm posting an ironic comment. In the context, I feel, I need to stress that my comment is intentionally labelled ironic to lead the reader.

If one were to deliver text excerpts from a Harlequin Romance, Stephen King and William Shakespeare to the same voters, I propose that the outcome would show Stephen King in first place and Harlequin Romance in second, Shakespeare would get an honourable mention in 135th or thereabouts. [End of irony]

The dilemma sleekr has so articulately pointed out, is acutely proliferated here. Irony (when successful) involves two parties. When one of the parties is only physically represented, the result is a vacuity.
10/01/2003 02:12:03 PM · #23
I sure was....I hate to say it, but I am a cat lover (ducking and running now)
10/01/2003 02:17:34 PM · #24
Originally posted by stevenayer:

I found myself voting ruthlessly in this challenge - no tolerance for irons or photos that had no irony to them at all. I've never given out so many low numbers before, but I do think we need to attempt to meet the meaning of the challenge with our entries. If I marked you low, don't be discouraged, it might have been a beautiful shot, just not ironic as I understand the word.


I was thinking about this as I began voting... irony is something we can be really critical about, do you think this will be an over-all low score challenge? I really hope irons don't take all the ribbons ;)
10/01/2003 02:17:55 PM · #25
I just didn't see the irony in it.

Message edited by Konador - Please don't make references to current entries.
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