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08/20/2006 12:53:57 AM · #1 |
i'm looking at the camera self portrait challenge.
there's a few shots with no cameras in them ... which has me a little confused.
but i wanted to ask for opinions. some people are using one camera to take a photograph of another camera. um ... IMO that's NOT a self portrait.
does that make such images invalid?
your thoughts???
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08/20/2006 12:58:17 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by super-dave:
does that make such images invalid? |
Well, that will be up to each individual voter to decide, since not meeting the challenge isn't grounds for DQ.
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08/20/2006 01:11:26 AM · #3 |
| Pretty much assumed everyone used a mirror and either timer or remote control. |
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08/20/2006 01:12:30 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Pretty much assumed everyone used a mirror and either timer or remote control. |
that's the assumption i used ... until i saw the entries. it's obvious quite a few DIDN'T do that.
so they're not actually 'self' portraits.
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08/20/2006 01:13:44 AM · #5 |
| Guess I just don't care heheh. Toss some 1's at the fools who entered people portraits and chill. |
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08/20/2006 01:17:32 AM · #6 |
Be very, very careful making assumptions like that. There are many incredible photographers on here who are capable of producing images that are very deceiving. What you may think you see...might not be quite what you think. You may actually be voting down someone who has managed to deceive you legally. If that photographer is capable of that, then a low vote certainly isn't fair to them.
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08/20/2006 01:38:53 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Be very, very careful making assumptions like that. There are many incredible photographers on here who are capable of producing images that are very deceiving. What you may think you see...might not be quite what you think. You may actually be voting down someone who has managed to deceive you legally. If that photographer is capable of that, then a low vote certainly isn't fair to them. |
Since when has subtle played well here? |
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08/20/2006 01:39:58 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Since when has subtle played well here? |
LOL!!
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08/20/2006 02:04:33 AM · #9 |
Photos that to me just looked like a photo of a person and no visible camera in the shot I just left unvoted for. I didn't want to vote someone lower on accident when I just didn't see the camera in the shot. I think there were 5 shots like that.
I tend to do that on photos I don't think meet challenges at all. The photos aren't bad.. they just aren't what the challenge was. |
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08/20/2006 03:38:57 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by aliqui:
Photos that to me just looked like a photo of a person and no visible camera in the shot I just left unvoted for. I didn't want to vote someone lower on accident when I just didn't see the camera in the shot. I think there were 5 shots like that.
I tend to do that on photos I don't think meet challenges at all. The photos aren't bad.. they just aren't what the challenge was. |
In my opinion, if I can't see that the photo has met the challenge, then it's perfectly fine to vote it down. I give a vote to each image based on what I see. If there's something in the image that I cannot see, then what use is that? If the photographer has some fantastic idea, but it's not come across to me, the photo deserves a lower mark than one that does present the idea.
Not voting on photos that you don't think meet the challenge strikes me as being a bit odd. Surely, voting on them is the whole point?
FWIW, though, I don't automatically give a 1, as it looks like some people do. I'll probably deduct between 1 and 3 points for not meeting the challenge, depending on how off the mark the photo seems.
In this specific challenge, I didn't vote anything down for DNMC that had an actual camera in it. I did vote photos down that just seemed to have a person in. If, maybe, one of them had a camera reflected off a tiny button, or something equally obscure, then that's tough luck I'm afraid. |
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08/20/2006 03:41:59 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by super-dave:
there's a few shots with no cameras in them ... which has me a little confused. |
I am guessing that this might be another language barrier issue. Kind of like all the landscape pictures in the lenscap challenge. I think it is very possible that some had no clue what the challenge meant. |
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08/20/2006 05:33:45 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Originally posted by super-dave:
there's a few shots with no cameras in them ... which has me a little confused. |
I am guessing that this might be another language barrier issue. Kind of like all the landscape pictures in the lenscap challenge. I think it is very possible that some had no clue what the challenge meant. |
Some people don't read challenge descriptions, either. |
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08/20/2006 06:12:59 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Guess I just don't care heheh. Toss some 1's at the fools who entered people portraits and chill. |
Well that's very kind of you... Even the people holding a camera? That explanes...
BTW you can allways flip a mirrored image to make it look like it isn'nt made with a mirror
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08/20/2006 06:14:55 AM · #14 |
| Mine was done with a mirror then flipped maybe that explains the 5.2? |
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08/20/2006 06:16:08 AM · #15 |
Maybe.... I'm going down also, and flipped it.....
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08/20/2006 06:17:49 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Majanka:
Maybe.... I'm going down also, and flipped it..... |
Or maybe people just don't like my camera? LOL I dunno It was a hour before the challenge shot so meh lol |
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08/20/2006 06:19:38 AM · #17 |
Guess there will be some Nikonians hating Canon and vote down end som Canonians doing the same to Nikon :D
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08/20/2006 06:34:31 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
Mine was done with a mirror then flipped maybe that explains the 5.2? |
Same here. Some like how I edited, others don't. So it's a mixed bag for me. |
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08/20/2006 06:36:56 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by lepidus:
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
Mine was done with a mirror then flipped maybe that explains the 5.2? |
Same here. Some like how I edited, others don't. So it's a mixed bag for me. |
I know WHAT YOURS is!!!!!! >.> |
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08/20/2006 06:41:50 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
Originally posted by lepidus:
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
Mine was done with a mirror then flipped maybe that explains the 5.2? |
Same here. Some like how I edited, others don't. So it's a mixed bag for me. |
I know WHAT YOURS is!!!!!! >.> |
Oh no!! Be kind to me! Please! |
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08/20/2006 06:44:47 AM · #21 |
| Actually... I dont.. but I love freaking people out <.< ^_^ |
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08/20/2006 06:51:11 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Be very, very careful making assumptions like that. There are many incredible photographers on here who are capable of producing images that are very deceiving. What you may think you see...might not be quite what you think. You may actually be voting down someone who has managed to deceive you legally. If that photographer is capable of that, then a low vote certainly isn't fair to them. |
If I can look like a terrorist and attempt to board a plane carrying things that look like explosives, weapons, etc. - then I'm busted. A photographer who brilliantly succeeds in fooling me into thinking that a picture was taken in a manner that does not respond to the the given task, is thereby hoisted on his/her own petard. |
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08/20/2006 07:39:37 AM · #23 |
Well mine was not flipped...is a self portrait...but doesn't look as such...and I am getting hit down...!
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08/20/2006 08:05:45 AM · #24 |
| I'm really surprised that the non-mirror images are being voted down. Personally I tended to vote them higher because they are more aesthesetically pleasing to me than seeing mirrored writing. Guess you just can't predict stuff around here. Glad I didn't enter my pic now, as it would have been the right way around and been thrashed. |
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08/20/2006 08:06:32 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Well mine was not flipped...is a self portrait...but doesn't look as such...and I am getting hit down...! |
It's because everyone thinks they want to see some creativity. But when they see it they vote it down because it doesn't fit into the narrow idea they have about how the challenge show look.
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