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09/11/2003 12:53:26 AM · #1 |
Today's image is Freedom of Speech by Shiiizzzam . Please take some time and comment at photographers' site. Thank You.
Message edited by author 2003-09-12 14:28:17.
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09/11/2003 01:44:14 AM · #2 |
Very interesting pic for the day Faidoi. Left some (meaningless) comments for now. I gotta look at this again when I'm not so tired!!! ;-)
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09/11/2003 02:51:25 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by toocool:
Very interesting pic for the day Faidoi. Left some (meaningless) comments for now. I gotta look at this again when I'm not so tired!!! ;-) |
Everybody knows that this one is not DP legal. I chose this image because I believe that this would give us something to discuss. May it be the Photoshopping or the emotion that the image gives off.
Pictures I chose are usually ones that don't have any or very few comments.There are lots of great images that weren't taken for the challenges and deserve to be seen and commented on. I know that not everyone enjoys my picks and that's alright.
What I'm doing is trying to get more people to comment.If you want to get more comments you also have to contribute and make comments.
So let's hear the comments.
Message edited by author 2003-09-12 14:28:28.
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09/11/2003 08:32:52 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
Today's image is Freedom of Speech by Shiiizzzam . Please take some time and comment at photographers' site. Thank You. |
Do you just randomly select photos or do you choose photos that you like for some particular reason? If the latter is true, It would be lovely to have you post those thoughts when you create these posts :)
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09/11/2003 08:42:20 AM · #5 |
People.. I was born Italian and I live in UK.
With all the possible love (or indifference) which I can have for US, do you really want me to praise that picture???
I mean.. to put a flag (whatever flag) to say that flag grants you freedom of speech: it means logically the exact contrary..
Are you restoring Mafia (the greatest Italian "product" ever) and possibly "improving" it, or are you just so color blind that you are unable to see what is going on?
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09/11/2003 09:35:14 AM · #6 |
I honestly wish this photo wasn't even posted today. I did this photo because I wanted to. I did it for ME. Frankly, I don't care who agrees with it or doesn't. I'm sick of every single time I see a USA flag posted a handful of people have to put it and the country down. If you don't like it...don't look. Pretty simple answer don't you think ?
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09/11/2003 09:36:58 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Shiiizzzam:
I honestly wish this photo wasn't even posted today. I did this photo because I wanted to. I did it for ME. Frankly, I don't care who agrees with it or doesn't. I'm sick of every single time I see a USA flag posted a handful of people have to put it and the country down. If you don't like it...don't look. Pretty simple answer don't you think ? |
Yer gonna get that kind of crap anytime you work with a flag or a US patriotic theme... especially when you are dealing with an international community. Just ignore those posts and carry on. The comments are not about the image itself as much as some 'chord' you struck with the viewer.
This type of theme is for a targeted audience and comments from outside that audience are gonna be rough sometimes.
Message edited by author 2003-09-11 09:37:54.
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09/11/2003 10:09:34 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
This type of theme is for a targeted audience |
Is even photography turning into a military operation? Is there any chance to make the "targeted audience" universal?
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09/11/2003 10:12:07 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
This type of theme is for a targeted audience |
Is even photography turning into a military operation? Is there any chance to make the "targeted audience" universal? |
There is always a chance but when a photographer targets a paricular audience of which you are not a part, why go tear down the photo? It's rude.
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09/11/2003 10:20:38 AM · #10 |
A truly successful work of art is one that makes people think. Obviously from reactions, this is a true work of art. Congratulations.
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09/11/2003 10:21:40 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by glimpses:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
This type of theme is for a targeted audience |
Is even photography turning into a military operation? Is there any chance to make the "targeted audience" universal? |
There is always a chance but when a photographer targets a paricular audience of which you are not a part, why go tear down the photo? It's rude. |
I would like to take a chance to tell Shiiizzzam that I appreciate very much the honesty of her last post and I am sure she is so sensible to reckon that is not about the picture nor the message that she intended.
A great unbalance has been created by the tragedy.
But I think that is essential that US Americans will reckonize that before being a tragedy for US, it has been a tragedy for Humanity.
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09/11/2003 10:21:44 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
This type of theme is for a targeted audience |
Is even photography turning into a military operation? Is there any chance to make the "targeted audience" universal? |
Typically, no one is going to produce an image that appeals to EVERYONE. This forum is intended to discuss the merits of a particular photograph. If you have a critique for the photo, have at it. If you want to discuss World politics, then find a forum for that purpose!
JD
Message edited by author 2003-09-11 10:23:28.
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09/11/2003 10:30:49 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
Are you restoring Mafia (the greatest Italian "product" ever) and possibly "improving" it, or are you just so color blind that you are unable to see what is going on? |
did the mafia have a flag? i don't remember that from the Godfather |
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09/11/2003 10:37:29 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by smellyfish1002:
Originally posted by glimpses:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
This type of theme is for a targeted audience |
Is even photography turning into a military operation? Is there any chance to make the "targeted audience" universal? |
Typically, no one is going to produce an image that appeals to EVERYONE. This forum is intended to discuss the merits of a particular photograph. If you have a critique for the photo, have at it. If you want to discuss World politics, then find a forum for that purpose!
JD |
I am honestly in doubt if agree or disagree. I mean.. from a purely technical point of view, I totally agree with you. My doubts are raised by the fact that a photo is not just a technical artifact. It also conveys a message which, like in this case, can be complex and have a variety of side effects.
After all, isn't it paradoxically funny that you suggest to discuss about politics (which was not my intention anyway..) somewhere else, when we are discussing a photo which title is "Freedom of speech"?
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09/11/2003 10:38:22 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by glimpses:
Are you restoring Mafia (the greatest Italian "product" ever) and possibly "improving" it, or are you just so color blind that you are unable to see what is going on? |
did the mafia have a flag? i don't remember that from the Godfather |
I am editing this message (The original was a joke: "They were way too smart to put a flag on it.. :P") because I feel more important to apologize for having been so emotive in that sentence.
I am sure that my post clarified which are my feelings about the tragedy. And they are just feelings: I am not a politician.
Message edited by author 2003-09-11 10:44:51.
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09/11/2003 11:13:28 AM · #16 |
Shiiizzzam, that is one creative shot! I like it! You are my all time favorite on this sight. Every picture you take is an inspiration. Keep up the good work!
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09/11/2003 11:40:29 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
After all, isn't it paradoxically funny that you suggest to discuss about politics (which was not my intention anyway..) somewhere else, when we are discussing a photo which title is "Freedom of speech"? |
I read back through the thread, and you have not discussed the merits of this photograph.
You are talking about photography becoming a military operation, the mafia (for some reason I don't understand), universal target audiences, etc.
Yes, the title of this photo is "Freedom of Speech" and it does invoke various thoughts and feelings of a political nature. My point is that this forum is to discuss the merits of the photo, not necessarily the various political views that can be obtained from an international community. This is a photography site, not a current events site.
By the way... is your Tools shot of a stovetop espresso maker? I think we have one of those somewhere, although we use a Barista pump driven machine on a daily basis. Just wondering...
Take care,
JD Anderson
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09/11/2003 12:02:04 PM · #18 |
Shiiiz ---
Your photo rocks. I bow down to both your photography and your Photoshop techniques.
Rob |
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09/11/2003 12:02:04 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by smellyfish1002:
By the way... is your Tools shot of a stovetop espresso maker? |
I do not know what a stovetop is exactly. You are right, the tool in the photo is a device for making expresso the old way. Its shape is a classic here in Europe (particularly in Italy) and I realised that could be not universally recognized as a symbol only after the challenge. =)
Regarding this thread I already admitted that I have not produced any technical opinion about the photo however, as you can find in the thread, faidoi invitation was:
Originally posted by faidoi:
I chose this image because I believe that this would give us something to discuss. May it be the Photoshopping or the emotion that the image gives off. |
Therefore opening the conversation not only to the technique but also to emotions. I tought that, somehow, I contributed to the emotional (not political) part of it.
I also think that the conversation about the tragedy would be very interesting if politics (and maybe even emotions) could be left apart. But I know that it is nearly impossible to exclude them...
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09/11/2003 12:06:14 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
I also think that the conversation about the tragedy would be very interesting if politics (and maybe even emotions) could be left apart. But I know that it is nearly impossible to exclude them... |
Since we're talkin' about freedom of speech and all....
Dude: YOU'RE the one who brought up "the tragedy." From what I can see in this thread, no one else has mentioned it. This photo would be a great piece whether or not 9/11 had ever happened.
I sympathize with Shiiiz that her photo was selected as "POTD" for today. If the photo were mine, I wouldn't have wanted it selected today either.
The way I read it, it's a very provocative statement about being able to speak one's mind -- one of the U.S.'s founding principles. It's not saying anything about International Politics, "the tragedy," or the fact that today is September 11th. YOU'RE READING THAT, and that's perfectly you're right. But YOUR reaction to Shiiiz's photo is not her responsibility to defend.
Message edited by author 2003-09-11 12:06:54. |
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09/11/2003 12:06:27 PM · #21 |
Glimpses, You couldn't just let this go on today of all days could ya?
What are you trying to prove? There are 364 other days in the year to fight any battle you want. A picture of an american flag on 9/11 is gonna piss you off? Your going to fight this battle on a small little photo board in the middle of cyberland? LOL, that's rich, futile and ridiculous.
Scrape off the frost and show a little heart.
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09/11/2003 12:12:59 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
Dude: YOU'RE the one who brought up "the tragedy." |
Well.. I am now ver confused. I am the one who mentioned it as the tragedy, but I am not the one who brought up it in the first place.
There were other posts which have been removed (not edited)..
Being my posts the only ones that have not been removed, now it looks pretty different from how it started....
I am just a person who contributed to thread as you are doing.. a thread which, evidently, is difficult to manage in every sense... at this point (maybe) it would be better to delete the whole thread in respect of the day.
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09/11/2003 02:52:02 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
The way I read it, it's a very provocative statement about being able to speak one's mind -- one of the U.S.'s founding principles. |
Well, yes that is certainly one interpretation, but the image, as it is, does not overtly assert this. The mouth is open, presumably in the midst of speaking or on the verge of it. Has the flag enabled (freedom of) speech or has it restricted (freedom of) speech? Perhaps the strength of the piece is this apparent (and unintentional?) duality.
That the image started out as a photograph seems largely irrelevant, except to contribute realism to the vision. The edge of the lower lip and flag/tongue is a little bit too sharp. I would be really concerned what this might look like at 8x10, let alone 16x20.
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09/11/2003 03:00:32 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
Well.. I am now ver confused. I am the one who mentioned it as the tragedy, but I am not the one who brought up it in the first place.
There were other posts which have been removed (not edited)..
Being my posts the only ones that have not been removed, now it looks pretty different from how it started.... |
Posts can not be removed. They can only be hidden. I, being site council, can see hidden posts and they are highlighted to me in red. I can tell you now that no posts have been hidden in this thread.
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09/11/2003 03:02:11 PM · #25 |
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