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07/22/2006 05:49:09 PM · #1
Why are these Advanced Editing rules? Aren't Open Challenges generally Basic? Forgive me if that's a noob question.

Either way, I'm curious as to why these two challenges specifically are Advanced. My concern is that Advanced Rules will take away from the conceptualization step in the shooting process. That is to say, with Color on Color, if I want to shoot blue on blue, for example, with Advanced Editing I really only need to get general shades of blue, and then can process it accordingly later so that the tones match. On the other hand, with Basic, I really need to find identical, or at least very closely matched shades of blue.

Doesn't this allowable level of processing sort of defeat the purpose of the challenge in the first place?

Or am I reading the challenge description too literally?
07/22/2006 05:54:09 PM · #2
The requirement is for the same color subject and background. So for your blue example, everything must be blue, but the blues do not need to be the same shade.

I have no idea why this is Advanced Editing, to be honest. Maybe they're just giving the gray shirts a cookie.
07/22/2006 05:54:26 PM · #3
Because Langdon occasionally throws us a curve-ball to keep us on our toes. Yes, open challenges are normally Basic editing - this one is a bonus :)
07/22/2006 05:59:27 PM · #4
Originally posted by karmabreeze:

The requirement is for the same color subject and background. So for your blue example, everything must be blue, but the blues do not need to be the same shade.

I have no idea why this is Advanced Editing, to be honest. Maybe they're just giving the gray shirts a cookie.


Ok, so I'm reading it too literally. May have to rethink my entry then.

Originally posted by idnic:

Because Langdon occasionally throws us a curve-ball to keep us on our toes. Yes, open challenges are normally Basic editing - this one is a bonus :)


Seems odd that these challenges in particular would be the ones chosen for this "bonus." I still think it defeats the purpose of the challenge if I can go out and shoot two different colors and fix it in post. Guess that's just me...
07/22/2006 06:11:18 PM · #5
Originally posted by photoheathen:

Seems odd that these challenges in particular would be the ones chosen for this "bonus." I still think it defeats the purpose of the challenge if I can go out and shoot two different colors and fix it in post. Guess that's just me...


Actually, everything you would typically do to color correct, say, red elements in a blue photo is basic legal. Hue/Saturation and Color Balance can be selectively applied to specific color channels.
07/22/2006 06:12:46 PM · #6
Originally posted by photoheathen:


Seems odd that these challenges in particular would be the ones chosen for this "bonus." I still think it defeats the purpose of the challenge if I can go out and shoot two different colors and fix it in post. Guess that's just me...


That's been an unfortunate (at least in my opinion) issue in all the advanced editing color challenges - the ability to shoot what you want and make it meet the challenge later. What's interesting here is that in the B/W challenge, they've essentially made it illegal to meet the challenge via PP, but didn't do the same for the color on color challenge.
07/22/2006 09:39:41 PM · #7
I don't think matching two colors is really the challenge here (you could easily have a bucjet of paint made of any color by just taking a sample to a hardware store), but rather to use the challenge criteria to make an interesting photograph.
07/23/2006 12:43:22 AM · #8
I'm a little confused on the black and white in color challenge.
Can someone please explain it to me?

i appologize if it is a lot easier to understand than i am seeing it.

thank you.
07/23/2006 12:46:10 AM · #9
Shoot a black dot on white paper (not really) and viola! you have a b/w picture that was shot in color. That is all.
07/23/2006 12:48:57 AM · #10
Originally posted by idnic:

Shoot a black dot on white paper (not really) and viola! you have a b/w picture that was shot in color. That is all.

Someone's drinkin' tonight ... :P
07/23/2006 06:55:14 AM · #11
I have a problem for the black and white in color. the white balance is legal? I can set the balance in shooting or in post (I prefer in post) :)
07/23/2006 07:18:23 AM · #12
Originally posted by idnic:

Shoot a black dot on white paper (not really) and viola! you have a b/w picture that was shot in color. That is all.


Well that ruins my entry. Everyone will be doing it now ;)
07/23/2006 10:33:10 AM · #13
Originally posted by kerouzach:

I'm a little confused on the black and white in color challenge.
Can someone please explain it to me?

i appologize if it is a lot easier to understand than i am seeing it.

thank you.


You're photo should be black and white, without you converting it to black and white. So everything in your photo should be either black or white to begin with.
07/23/2006 03:38:36 PM · #14
For the Black and White Challenge.. can I hit desaturate for the whole image?

Thanks :)
07/23/2006 03:41:27 PM · #15
Originally posted by sweetpea:

For the Black and White Challenge.. can I hit desaturate for the whole image?

Thanks :)


Description: Take a COLOR photo of a black & white (or grayscale) subject or subjects. Conversion/desaturation to black and white or shooting in black and white is NOT allowed.
Extra Rules: Note, this is an Advanced Editing challenge. Also note that shooting in or post-processing to black/white will result in DQ.

I'd say no.
07/24/2006 12:44:43 PM · #16
I totally get these challenges. And you don't have to be really creative either. I came across my black/white on color quite easily. Will be interesting to see what people turn out.

g
07/24/2006 12:47:58 PM · #17
So, maybe I'm dense, but was the question of whether there was a particular reason to allow Advanced Editing rules for this challenge answered?

Also, what do you guys think about a shot that is black and white with a small area in red--can I desaturate just the red and remain within the special rules for that challenge?

(Thanks to mk for pointing me to this thread and locking the one I started a few minutes ago--I didn't really know what search terms would be good for my question.)

Message edited by author 2006-07-24 12:51:43.
07/24/2006 12:49:25 PM · #18
Originally posted by dahved:

So, maybe I'm dense, but was the question of whether there was a particular reason to allow Advanced Editing rules for this challenge answered?

(Thanks to mk for pointing me to this thread--I didn't really know what search terms would be good for my question.)


dpc has a good sense of humor I think.

g
07/24/2006 12:52:22 PM · #19
About what?
07/24/2006 12:57:46 PM · #20
Originally posted by gayle43103:

I totally get these challenges. And you don't have to be really creative either. I came across my black/white on color quite easily. Will be interesting to see what people turn out.

g


Just so as not to confuse others, It's actually black and white IN color. Not black and white ON color. Totally different ballgame there. :-)
07/24/2006 12:57:55 PM · #21
Originally posted by dahved:

About what?


Exactly ;-)
07/24/2006 01:01:03 PM · #22
I must be missing the joke...
07/24/2006 01:56:13 PM · #23
Originally posted by jpeters:

I don't think matching two colors is really the challenge here (you could easily have a bucjet of paint made of any color by just taking a sample to a hardware store), but rather to use the challenge criteria to make an interesting photograph.

... You're photo should be black and white, without you converting it to black and white. So everything in your photo should be either black or white to begin with.
I agree 100% with your point about the color challenge but have a small quibble with your intetpretation of the black & white. The description says --

"Challenge Details: Take a COLOR photo of a black & white (or grayscale) subject or subjects. Conversion/desaturation to black and white or shooting in black and white is NOT allowed.
Challenge Type: Exclusive Open Challenge
Challenge Rules: Advanced Editing
Extra Rules: Note, this is an Advanced Editing challenge. Also note that shooting in or post-processing to black/white will result in DQ.
"

I don't think "everything" in an entry needs to be either black or white. I think it could have some color in it and still be legal as long as the subject is b&w. And I'd guess that any sort of desaturation is a no-no, resulting in a DQ. That's how I read the challenge, each of us will have to read the voters for themselves.

07/24/2006 08:36:36 PM · #24
A white item in my shot has a very slight yellow tint to it. Shooting in jpg with saturation set to -2 makes this less noticeable. In no way does this violate (my interpretation of) the spirit of the contest rules. Does it violate the letter of the contest rules?

Message edited by author 2006-07-24 20:37:58.
07/24/2006 08:42:01 PM · #25
so... this says the subject has to be black and white, not the whole photo, the way I read it. Woudn't something like a penguin be considered a black and white subject, even if it has a yellow beak? In other color challenges, not the whole image had to be that color, it just had to be predominate. Or am I totally missing the point here?
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