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09/03/2003 12:23:50 AM · #1
I have to question about the entire voting theory of the site. After looking at my vote breakdown, which has three distinct curves. And the winning picture has two peaks, but no distinct curve. I have had enough math and physics as a physics major to understand statistics, and neither my picture nor the winning picture fit well in any statistical model. I understand that people can't always be predicted, but I think mabey more than just an average needs to be looked at for placement. How many ones did I get because of the nudity. How many ones did I get because the ruler was out at 11 inches. I know I sound like i'm mad, and mabey I am alittle mad, but not because I didn't get first place because too many people are voting for reasons other than the picture quality and this is evident in the vote break downs. Now I will admit that the winner was more of a gausian curve with about only one bad break, but still looks like two curves overlaid. I suggest that people vote on the quality of the picture, or don't vote on it at all. And for rankings I think that curves should be seperated and peaks averaged, which probably really wouldn't make that big of a difference, I think people need to stop and think why they are voting on a picture, and I probably need to do this as well.
09/03/2003 12:24:05 AM · #2
so this wouldn't all fit in the first post.

And for the record I did expect a very low score for my picture because it had nudity, and because it wasn't a winning picture, but I liked the idea, and didn't have time to do another one of better quality, so I entered it. You can see my entrie and bad mouth it at //www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=34926
09/03/2003 12:25:56 AM · #3
Further thoughts, I wonder if I should give all black and white images a 1 because I'm not really a fan of black and white images. But I won't do this, because I try to vote on the images on the basis of the quality as well as wether or not I like it.
09/03/2003 12:36:42 AM · #4
I understand where you are coming from. It took a long time for me to realize that DPC voters vote mainly on what they get from the first few seconds. I personally enjoyed your picture and though it fit the challenge well (gave it a 6) but speaking in photographic technicalities, the dark areas came out too dark with a fair amount of noise. But I understand your dissapointment for your low score given the reasons some voters gave.
09/03/2003 12:37:04 AM · #5
Hey man don't be so bitter - I commented on the photograph and for the record gave it a 4

I am sure you had fun with taking the photo and executing it. This community has got its own characteristics and I am sorry to say that appreciating creativity and parallel thinking is not one of them, but at the same time this is the best place to learn things
09/03/2003 12:39:30 AM · #6
At least you managed to generate some interest and comments. If photography is about generating an emotional response, your 31 comments clearly beats my 7.
09/03/2003 12:44:17 AM · #7
I gave you a "5". Quite a bit of noise in the picture. I think cropping in closer who have give the tape measure more prominence.

I don't have a problem with the nudity, just the composition.

Message edited by author 2003-09-03 00:44:38.
09/03/2003 01:01:13 AM · #8
I'm not bitter, I expected it, and just thought I would point out the way people vote. I did get 29 ones, this is a record for me, and I assume the ones are for dislike of nudes, not for poor picture quality. And yes I do think the quality was lacking, there was too much noise. I think I would have given my picture a 5 or 6. And thanks for those of you that made helpful comments.
09/03/2003 01:20:57 AM · #9
The concept was alright, but the execution is what led to a lower vote from me. To be honest I didn't find it all that clever of an idea. The "nudity" didn't have anything to do with it.
09/03/2003 10:21:23 AM · #10
Originally posted by K-Rob:

I understand where you are coming from. It took a long time for me to realize that DPC voters vote mainly on what they get from the first few seconds.... .


Yes.. and that is how almost anyone's mind works viewing any image. Very few images captivate and hold attention. Madison Avenue has known this for many years... and it works...
I, however, agree that when one is "judging", one really ought to spend a bit of time ...
Sort of the 'golden rule' sideways...

"I want folks to spend as much time judging my entries as I spend judging theirs"
09/03/2003 10:52:12 AM · #11
I gave this shot a low score, not because of the nudity, but because I think it has too much empty space in the foreground and on the sides, also the exposure of the figure is too dark and noisy. Personally, I think this is a good concept for the theme of "tools", but falls short on the execution. You had to expect this type of reaction, given the nature of this site and the provocative nature of your shot.
09/03/2003 11:03:49 AM · #12
I don't understand your complaint: you want everyone to vote on picture quality? Or content? Or both?

The trouble with a somplistic statistical analysis of a voting curve is that there are no instructions on how to vote. Some people rate technical achievement above everything, others content, still others don't care about relevance to the challenge, others are very strict about that. I also wonder how much account of other cultures beyond the US you're taking in your assessment of voters.

FWIW, I honestly think it's an awful photograph of an amusing idea - but the amusement isn't enough to lift it any higher in my estimation. I should add at this point that I thought the second placed photo in back to school was equally awful, so perhaps it isn't always pure quality that counts.

Ed
09/03/2003 11:43:37 AM · #13
Personally, I didn't feel the nudity was a problem. My first thought of this entry was: Great photo idea, poor execution. I felt that the lighting and focus could have been improved. Too much space all around the photo left my eyes to wander.

Maybe I misunderstood your last comment, since the topic of this thread is your tools challenge entry and you said "I, however, agree that when one is "judging", one really ought to spend a bit of time ... ". Do you feel people would have changed how they felt about your entry had they looked at it longer? Also, I don't know that a specific curve shows how long people spend voting on each entry... I think it more shows the differences in all of us and what we think makes a great photo. I think that is one of the great things about this site. Again, I may have misunderstood the meaning of your comment... if so I apologize.

Just sharing my opinion; when it's used propery, I think nudity can be a beautiful artform.

Message edited by author 2003-09-03 11:45:37.
09/03/2003 11:45:17 AM · #14
Originally posted by e301:

FWIW, I honestly think it's an awful photograph of an amusing idea - but the amusement isn't enough to lift it any higher in my estimation. I should add at this point that I thought the second placed photo in back to school was equally awful, so perhaps it isn't always pure quality that counts.

Ed

Ed, I agree with your points here, but what is it about that second place shot that you hate so much? I really like it and I'm intrigued.

PS. what nudity? ;)

Message edited by author 2003-09-03 11:46:05.
09/03/2003 12:17:55 PM · #15
The way I see it, the challenges are to help make all the photographs better. In order to do that, votes shouldn't be focused on one aspect of the photo (such as quality or composition), but as a whole combining all aspects of the photo as well as the individual's feel towards the photo. Sure, some people will emphasize individual aspects, but everyone won't be focused on one point only. This is why comments are so important, so the photographer can know what aspects he or she excelled at and which one needs improving.
09/03/2003 12:57:44 PM · #16
I have a strong feeling I got voted down alot coz of the brutality of my submission wich was the killing tool //dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=34453
09/03/2003 01:00:47 PM · #17
i'm glad you submitted your photo even though you knew that it might get several low votes. as long as you like it, do it. i knew mine wouldn't come out on top either but i couldn't stand the idea of taking pictures of screwdrivers, socket wrenches, hammers whatever. (i was the one with the weird shark picture if you saw it). mine was also shot down a little more than i expected, but really i'm glad i submitted it and would do it again.

ps as a female i would just like to say the nudity is A++ in my book.
09/03/2003 01:13:43 PM · #18
Excellent way to say it.

Originally posted by annr:

i'm glad you submitted your photo even though you knew that it might get several low votes. as long as you like it, do it.
09/03/2003 01:50:53 PM · #19
yeah thats how I do it...If you ppl like it, wich in most cases you dont its a Bonus;)

Message edited by author 2003-09-03 13:51:24.
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