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06/19/2006 08:55:41 PM · #1
//www.eye.fi/

beta testing later this year - what is it? At first an SD card 802.11g. Later a CF version. Fits in the standard slot, nothing sticks out!
06/19/2006 09:00:19 PM · #2
HA! Yesterday I was just thinking to myself , "JP, when do you think wireless memory modules are going to come out for your camera?"

Yes, I address myself in the third person.
06/19/2006 09:01:59 PM · #3
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

//www.eye.fi/

beta testing later this year - what is it? At first an SD card 802.11g. Later a CF version. Fits in the standard slot, nothing sticks out!


So would you be able to shoot and have the pics be copied to a computer? I'd love to have my laptop set up and as I shoot, the pics preview on the laptop. (without having to be corded)
06/19/2006 09:02:47 PM · #4
Wow, that's amazing. I'd like to know how they fit all that into a tiny SD card in addition to the storage space itself. That and how it works in general.
06/19/2006 09:03:39 PM · #5
Interesting, I'd buy 2 or 3.
06/19/2006 09:12:59 PM · #6
Wow, that's pretty incredible....

I hope it works...

Remember that current SD card sizes go up to 4GB. That being the case, only 1/4 of the space originally needed for storage needs to be taken up for that... the controller chip isn't tooo large...

Wifi cards have typically been a bit larger though in the past, so it's nice to see that they have made it smaller...

I wonder what type of connection it makes. Probably requires their software to work it. Which would be fine.
06/19/2006 09:16:07 PM · #7
sweet...what kind of device can I get to point it at the shooters on the sidelines at the sporting events and just transfer their image files to my laptop? That would be sweet.

edit: that's a joke of course...one would think an obvious joke, but you never know.

Message edited by author 2006-06-19 21:50:18.
06/19/2006 09:16:49 PM · #8
Wonder how it knows what network to connect to and which computer to send it to. Pre-programming into the card before putting it into your computer? Even an SD or CF card that had only a wifi function that would instantly take whatever was written to it and transmit that to a computer would be pretty nice. It would just have to have a 16mb (or so) capacity to buffer the files before transmitting.
06/19/2006 09:22:23 PM · #9
mmm... biggest problem is speed
54megabits, my images are 10megabytes if you include overhead that is > 1 sec per image ...

second problem is power - & i'm wonder what the decrease in shooting will be if you are trying to transmit everything

third would be encryption .. i don't wwnt my images being broadcast to the nieghbours ... no matter how good/bad ..


06/19/2006 10:14:09 PM · #10
I'm going to guess that the wireless will be set up via some software on your computer.. Wireless does support security and encryption protocols... I would be quite surprised if this was any easier to hack than someone's internet connection.
06/19/2006 10:38:53 PM · #11
I would bet that there will be security and encryption on these cards as I would guess that many people (especially pros) would just have the card tranmit to a laptop or whatever right away in order to shoot more images without changing cards. I would also assume that these cards would just show up as another device or computer joined to the network the same way as PDA's and other such devices show up. So they aren't just broadcasting for whoever to pick up, they are actually a device that is connected to a specific wireless network and I'm pretty sure you'll be able to give it a WEP key to access your network as well as put on MAC address filtering. This isn't going to stop someone who really wants to get at your images (not a problem for me because mine suck anyway), but it will keep most hackers at bay.

I also thought about the issue of power. I know the wireless antenna on my laptop drains the battery a lot faster than the wired connection. This would put a huge drain on the camera battery which is smaller than a laptop one to begin with. I'm not sure how they will address this issue, but it will be interesting to see what they come up with.

The speed issue would only come into play for burst shooting, if so you're better off with just changing cards. If you're going to nicely set up a shot, I would guess there would be more than one or two seconds between shots. You also have to remember that these cards also have built in storage, so you don't have to transmit them wirelessly, you just have that option.

Message edited by author 2006-06-19 22:44:12.
06/20/2006 12:40:43 AM · #12
If it is configured like similar products (CF card with wire to a
WiFi transmitter on your belt) it will be set up from a web interface and just use standard wireless protocols and security. This is how wireless routers are set up as well -- I see no reason it wouldn't be the same.

As far as transfer speeds are concerned, how fast does it have to be to keep up with the transfer speed of the fastest camera -- not burst, sustained. With CF cards standard with several gig of memory on them, it is not too much of a stretch to imagine the card will have room for a buffer large enough to handle the cameras burst mode -- just like the cameras have buffers that enable it to burst at all.

Still be sweet even if limited in speed. I just hope it comes out (or soon settles at) a price far below the $1600US for what is already available.

/edit: further reading puts the price point at around $100. If that's the case it is definitely on the must have list. When they get around to making a CF card version that is. Why SD to begin with, aren't CF cards more common?

David

Message edited by author 2006-06-20 02:16:44.
06/20/2006 05:06:26 AM · #13
$100 for a 1 gig card isn't a lot more than a regular 1 gig sd card. Sounds cool!
06/20/2006 05:25:38 AM · #14
Originally posted by alfresco:

HA! Yesterday I was just thinking to myself , "JP, when do you think wireless memory modules are going to come out for your camera?"

Yes, I address myself in the third person.


OT: You need a bit more practice on this. The true experts on this (who mostly seem to be sportspeople, particularly boxers or from various football codes) would say something along the lines:

Originally posted by alfresco:

HA! Yesterday JP was just thinking to himself, "JP, when does JP think wireless memory modules are going to come out for JP's camera?"

Yes, JP addresses himself in the third person.


On topic: Hmmm, interesting idea.... although since I don't own any laptops, portable storage devices, PDAs, etc., this would only do me any good if I was within about 50 metres of my computer at home.
06/20/2006 05:36:46 AM · #15
Originally posted by JRalston:


So would you be able to shoot and have the pics be copied to a computer? I'd love to have my laptop set up and as I shoot, the pics preview on the laptop. (without having to be corded)


Already available for the 20D ..... but at a very steep price. This works on the 20D with a (genuine Canon) firmware upgrade.

I have played with one of these, it is awesome .... but bulky and a little awkward. Works great though :)

//www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=365948&is=REG&addedTroughType=search

Message edited by author 2006-06-20 05:41:56.
06/20/2006 08:48:22 AM · #16
Originally posted by Natator:


Already available for the 20D ..... but at a very steep price. This works on the 20D with a (genuine Canon) firmware upgrade.

I have played with one of these, it is awesome .... but bulky and a little awkward. Works great though :)

//www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=365948&is=REG&addedTroughType=search


I'm just pissed it costs $1,000. Canon and others have p&s camera now where the wifi is version is only $50 more than the non-wifi. So this wifi adapter should only be $2-300 max. Then i'd buy one!

Canon does not advertise this unit, and i hear no one talking about it - price? need? I know nikon has gone bigger into the wifi thing. I read an article that Disney parks had roving photogs that took guests pics and you could pic them up later and Disney was moving from polaroids to wifi (about 2 years ago) and the article talked about the problems and issues then. I have heard they got it working now.
06/20/2006 09:44:00 AM · #17
Let's give credit where credit is due. I believe the first commercially available wireless transmission from a digital camera was Nikon's D2H using it's WT-1 add-on. It came out in the last quarter of 2003. I think it sold for under $400. Canon's comparable wireless transmitter didn't come out until a bit later and cost about $1000.
07/17/2006 04:24:18 PM · #18
wow this thing is super cool. I am surprised there isn't more hype about this.

Comparing this to canons big box you strap to the camera is like the cell phones from 10 years ago to the cell phones today. A CF card that goes inside the camera and transmits to a laptop or portable storage is super great.
07/17/2006 04:52:09 PM · #19
Should be in the camera directly if you ask me. But then so shoul a GPS device - maybe one day :-)

It would be interesting although could be a little slow - would be great in a studio but probably not fast enough for sports setup (would be a cool use instead of runners though).
07/17/2006 04:59:08 PM · #20
Originally posted by Natator:

Already available for the 20D ..... but at a very steep price. This works on the 20D with a (genuine Canon) firmware upgrade.

//www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=365948&is=REG&addedTroughType=search


Wow - Didn't know they made something like this!! Agree that it's bulky and far too expensive but it's a start. Maybe a generation or two down the line :-o)
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