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06/15/2006 03:04:27 PM · #1 |
I like to work with studio equipment although I don't have the best lights yet. I also love to do outdoor shots, and live by the beach. The most important feature for me would be DOF. I want to be able to have my subject in focus and the background out of focus. My Canon A80 doesn't really have a great DOF except on Macro shots.
Are there different versions of the XT? I am trying to stick around $500.
Thankyou so much. |
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06/15/2006 03:06:50 PM · #2 |
DOF has nothing to do with the camera body and everything to do with the lens you are using and the F stop you are using. I personally would never get a Rebel XT just because they are so small, they look like toy cameras. If you can afford an XT then save a bit more and get a 20D. Just my 2 cents.
June
PS. Sorry, I just read your budget. An XT is not $500. If that is all you have to spend then get a Rebel (300D). They are good cameras for the money.
Message edited by author 2006-06-15 15:08:43.
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06/15/2006 03:10:45 PM · #3 |
$500 is simply not enough. Even if you bought a Rebel with kit lens for that, it is only the beginning.
I can guarantee you that you'll want more lenses and accessories very soon. |
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06/15/2006 03:12:48 PM · #4 |
Thanks for the reply! Sorry, I was looking on this site and found the, I guess this is the XT?
//www.expresscameras.com/prodetails.asp?prodid=306293&start=1
And that's why I came up with the $500 number.
I just want to get the right camera for the stuff I want to do. Thanks again.
ETA:
I am so confused. I typed in Canon Rebel 300D and came up with this
//www.geniuscameras.com/prodetails.asp?prodid=95551&start=1
which also has XT in the name?
Sorry if I am annoying anyone. As you can see I'm new to this. I've only ever used my Canon A80 which I paid $400 for 2 years ago, and I have loved the pictures I've taken with it. Such as this one, which is why my budget is somewhat low.
I appreciate your help.
Message edited by author 2006-06-15 15:19:41. |
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06/15/2006 03:18:02 PM · #5 |
Check out the rating for expresscameras.com.
There are a couple of people selling Rebels in the forums. You could probably get a used one at a decent price. It sounds like you may want to do a bit more reading about the technicals of photography though, to be sure you're ready.
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06/15/2006 03:22:38 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by sugarandspice:
Thanks for the reply! Sorry, I was looking on this site and found the, I guess this is the XT?
//www.expresscameras.com/prodetails.asp?prodid=306293&start=1
And that's why I came up with the $500 number.
I just want to get the right camera for the stuff I want to do. Thanks again.
ETA:
I am so confused. I typed in Canon Rebel 300D and came up with this
//www.geniuscameras.com/prodetails.asp?prodid=95551&start=1
which also has XT in the name?
Sorry if I am annoying anyone. As you can see I'm new to this. I've only ever used my Canon A80 which I paid $400 for 2 years ago, and I have loved the pictures I've taken with it. Such as this one, which is why my budget is somewhat low.
I appreciate your help. |
Canon Rebel 300D is not the name of the camera, the camera is a Canon Rebel in the US and Canon 300D in the rest of the world. The new rebel is the Rebel XT in the US and Canon 350D in the rest of the world. They are called Rebel Kiss and Rebel Kiss N in Japan.
June
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06/15/2006 03:25:54 PM · #7 |
| Thankyou for clearing that up! Now I can figure this out. :) |
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06/15/2006 03:28:26 PM · #8 |
Neither of those places include the lens, both prices are for BODY only.
Also, be careful about who you buy from. I'm not saying either one of those are necessarily bad, but we constantly hear horror stories about online purchases, especially if the price seems too good to be true.
I really think you need to do much more research - about the camera and all that entails, as well as about where to buy it from.
Don't forget to search our forums, lots and lots of good tips here.
Good luck. |
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06/15/2006 03:34:02 PM · #9 |
| I personally love my 300D. The 350D, I've felt it in the store, feels like a piece of plastic crap. I mean, the 300D is better built, and just doesn't feel as cheap. I'm almost 100% positive the only difference between the two is the EF-S difference (which I don't notice) and the 8 versus 6 megapixels...on eBay, if you get a good seller you're sure of, you can find them for a good price. I believe mine ran for $500, but I paid $400 and my dad paid the rest, but I'm sure it wouldn't have been more than $500--my dad wouldn't fork over any more probably! And that was WITH the kit lens included. But you could get body only for cheaper and skip the kit lens all together, and get a 50mm 1.8 II--the kit lens is not very sharp AT ALL. |
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06/15/2006 03:50:52 PM · #10 |
I love my rebel xt, its a great little camera. Yes its a small slr but it feels just fine to me. If its this is going to be your first slr I would say yes its a good camera to start out with. I have no complaints at all with my XT. Just get some good lens and you will be very happy.
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06/15/2006 03:59:41 PM · #11 |
Hi Sugar&Spice, both the Rebel(300D) and the Rebel XT(350D) are good cameras, no doubt about that. The reason I would go for the Rebel XT is because it's a new model with many upgrades, so just forget the 300D why get something old and out of date? Not to mention the Rebel XT's market life is almost over so price is dropping for the XT. Talking about prices with $500 you can't really get anything right now so I suggest your save some more $ and get the XT with the kit lens, and use it for a while. Sure the lens is cheap but it's not that bad if you jump from P&S to DSLR. When you master everything about your camera, get a wide angle lens (EF 17-40mm f4L)for your outdoor photography (I hope you have some money by this time)
PS I'm not saying all Ebay sellers are bad, but when you invest a lot of money, try some reputable online sellers like BeachCamera, B&H or BuyDig.
NSN
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06/15/2006 04:03:07 PM · #12 |
I wish I knew why so many DON'T think the 350D/XT is a good consideration.
Nearing 10,000 clicks on mine now, I love it more now than I did on the first click. Sure the 20D is more rugged of a build body-wise. So? many complain that it is too small & light. So? For those that think it's too small, a 350D/XT + battery grip is stil less than a 20D, AND has the advantage of extra battery power/longevity with 2 batteries on board.
I would rather have a 350D and good glass, than a 20D with cheap glass. The image quality of these 2 cameras is basically the same and has been reviewed and proven such. ISO3200 would be nice to have on the 350D, but 1600 seems to be more than adequate.
The 350D/XT is an exceptional value for the money, has more functions & features than most will use, and coupled with good lenses, is pretty tough to beat.
Edit to add:
If a camera is to be used professionally, the answer is obvious.
I would certainly use a 350D/XT as a backup camera to a MKII platform though.
Message edited by author 2006-06-15 18:11:04. |
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06/15/2006 04:10:39 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by BradP:
I wish I knew why so many DON'T think the 350D/XT is a good consideration.
Nearing 10,000 clicks on mine now, I love it more now than I did on the first click. Sure the 20D is more rugged of a build body-wise. So? many complain that it is too small * light. So? For those that think it's too small, a 350D/XT + battery grip is stil less than a 20D, AND has the advantage of extra battery power/longevity with 2 batteries on board.
I would rather have a 350D and good glass, than a 20D with cheap glass. The image quality of these 2 cameras is basically the same and has been reviewed and proven such. ISO3200 would be nice to have on the 350D, but 1600 seems to be more than adequate.
The 350D/XT is an exceptional value for the money, has more functions & features than most will use, and coupled with good lenses, is pretty tough to beat. |
It truly is a personal choice. I have held the XT and it just feels to small in my hands and I have small hands! I can only imagine what it would feel like in the hands of a burly man. At the other end, I have held the 1ds mk2 and it is just too big for me. I am just 5'1.5" and I really don't think I would be able to carry that camera with a heavy lens for 8 hours while I shoot weddings. Just a matter of choice.
June
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06/15/2006 04:21:13 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by BradP:
I wish I knew why so many DON'T think the 350D/XT is a good consideration.
Nearing 10,000 clicks on mine now, I love it more now than I did on the first click. Sure the 20D is more rugged of a build body-wise. So? many complain that it is too small * light. So? For those that think it's too small, a 350D/XT + battery grip is stil less than a 20D, AND has the advantage of extra battery power/longevity with 2 batteries on board.
I would rather have a 350D and good glass, than a 20D with cheap glass. The image quality of these 2 cameras is basically the same and has been reviewed and proven such. ISO3200 would be nice to have on the 350D, but 1600 seems to be more than adequate.
The 350D/XT is an exceptional value for the money, has more functions & features than most will use, and coupled with good lenses, is pretty tough to beat. |
Agree 100% I have the XT and the 300D (and big hands) and I haven't touched the 300D since I got the XT. They are very different cameras. Comparing it to the 20D, it's smaller and lighter (which I like), it's plastic and it does not have a nice finish on it, it lacks a few features, and it does not have a synch plug in for external lights, but the photo quality is the same.
As for being of cheap build quality, has anyone broke theirs?
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06/15/2006 04:32:45 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by sugarandspice:
.....My Canon A80..... |
The good news is that the menus in the XT are very similar to your A80. I went from an A95 (same thing as an A80) to an XT and there was barely a learning curve at all.
The bad news is that I've spent about $3,400 on this camera and lenses/accessories.
The good news is I absolutely love it.
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06/15/2006 05:25:22 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by sugarandspice:
.....My Canon A80..... |
The good news is that the menus in the XT are very similar to your A80. I went from an A95 (same thing as an A80) to an XT and there was barely a learning curve at all.
The bad news is that I've spent about $3,400 on this camera and lenses/accessories.
The good news is I absolutely love it. |
The bad news is you're wish (want) list keeps getting longer. ;o) |
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06/15/2006 05:38:22 PM · #17 |
Dell was selling the Rebel XT with kit lens for $599 shipped yesterday, but I think that deal has expired.
You can get a Pentax *ist DL with lens for $539 or an Olympus Evolt E-300 for $529 with lens, but your choice of future lenses will be more limited. Check prices HERE.
Message edited by author 2006-06-15 17:40:01. |
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06/15/2006 05:48:06 PM · #18 |
Sugar, here is something else to keep in mind. Instead of the Canon camera kit lens, you can achieve excellent results by purchasing the XT or Rebel body only, and adding the $75 or so Canon 50mm f1.8 lens. This little cheapie is super-sharp, rivalling the most expensive lenses costing thousands. And because of that second number, the "f1.8" aperture, it will excel at producing a sharp subject and out-of-focus background. The one limiting factor of that lens is that it is not a zoom, but for the money, and for what you said you are looking for, it would be an excellent choice.
You can check out seller reputations at //www.resellerratings.com also. Two I recommend are //www.bhphotovideo.com and //www.canogacamera.com. Good luck, and I hope you'll stick around here when you do get your new camera. |
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06/15/2006 05:57:03 PM · #19 |
If you decide on the XT and look to go the used route, I have one in great shape for sale here:
Rebel XT for sale |
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06/15/2006 06:03:23 PM · #20 |
Rebel XT body only is $584 after rebate at B&H new in the box.
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06/15/2006 06:13:30 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Chiqui:
DOF has nothing to do with the camera body and everything to do with the lens you are using and the F stop you are using. I personally would never get a Rebel XT just because they are so small, they look like toy cameras. If you can afford an XT then save a bit more and get a 20D. Just my 2 cents. |
Sorry to digress, but you DOF is dependant on you Sensor or Film size also, so the body does matter. Actually, the smaller the sensor, the smaller the DOF should be at the same f/, but SLR's have much higher f/ available in general, pressed against the fact that Compacts are using 35mm equivalents for focal length, not true number. Meaning that they usually start at 7mm and go up to about 50mm, so many of them will have greater DOF at any range, and about the same DOF fully extended as a 50mm macro. I probably made a few mistakes on that, but you get the gist I hope.
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06/15/2006 08:24:18 PM · #22 |
Thanks so much for all the input guys!! It has helped so much. I will probably end up with the XT, as I don't really need the camera until our vacation at Disney World in the fall.
Does anyone know if the 2 extra megapixels between the Rebel 300D, and the XT will make a huge difference when getting big pictures printed out for the wall? Or does it not really matter? Say, 16x24? Sorry if this should seem obvious, but I'm a super newbie at SLRs and high megapixel cameras.
Thanks again!
Message edited by author 2006-06-15 20:31:53. |
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06/15/2006 08:56:15 PM · #23 |
I also felt the camera is small. And to a certain point it is. When I put the Sigma 70-300 on it it's a little uncomfortable.
But that's all.
Now, after 1 year, I got used with it and I really thing it's the best value.
Go for it and you won't regret. Besides the menu is very similar to your A80. I came from A70 as well
The 2 extra mp are not that important but the new technology it offers and the functions. An it's faster than the old rebel.
Message edited by author 2006-06-15 20:58:23.
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06/15/2006 09:10:38 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by sugarandspice:
Does anyone know if the 2 extra megapixels between the Rebel 300D, and the XT will make a huge difference when getting big pictures printed out for the wall? Or does it not really matter? Say, 16x24? Sorry if this should seem obvious, but I'm a super newbie at SLRs and high megapixel cameras.
Thanks again! |
I ordered one of my prints from DPC Prints. Taken with my S1 IS which is 3.2 MP and is a 16 X 20 and it looks marvelous.
Message edited by author 2006-06-15 21:10:46.
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06/15/2006 09:14:39 PM · #25 |
I have found this site to be a valuable sorce of information, reviews, and comparisons on Canon cameras and lenses.
//bobatkins.com/photography/ |
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