Wide Angle/ low Fstop - DPChallenge Forums

05/11/2006 06:58:44 PM · #1

What lens would yall reccomend for wide angle low aperature? I want to shoot semi-low light setting at wide angle, my 50mm is great bu to much zoom zoom. Any suggestions with samples?

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70 f2.8 L IS

05/11/2006 07:03:05 PM · #2

Couple questions:
- What's your defintion of wide? Got a focal length in mind?
- What's your definitionn of low aperture? f/2.8? f/2? f/1.4?
- What's your budget?

Edit: OK, one more than a couple... unless it's a kinky couple ;-)

Message edited by author 2006-05-11 19:03:36.

Ecce_Signum

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

05/11/2006 07:04:20 PM · #3

This is an awesome lens ;)

Some pretty high scoring shots in the challenges can be found here.

05/11/2006 07:26:52 PM · #4

Well I would love the 10-22mm canon but the 3.5 would kill me. So I would say 2.8 or below. Budget is under 800$.

Message edited by author 2006-05-11 19:30:09.

Ecce_Signum

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

05/11/2006 07:30:14 PM · #5

Originally posted by Ryencool:

Well I would love the 10-22mm canon but the 3.5 would kill me.

How do you mean? Its probably the best and fastest wide angle out there for digital.

OK, you edited so I shall ;) 3.5 is pretty darn fast for a 10mm (are there any faster out there?)

Message edited by author 2006-05-11 19:31:47.

shaggy35

Nikon D90

05/11/2006 07:32:20 PM · #6

remember that you can use much slower shutter speeds with a wider lens. My buddy can shoot handheld 1/5 shutter with his 12mm (on a reduced sensor, so effectively 18mm)

This is why low aperture isn't as important.

Prof_Fate

05/11/2006 07:32:49 PM · #7

tokina 12024 f4
sigma 18-50 2.8 EX
sigma 17-70 2.8-4.5
tamron SP 17-50 2.8 (due this month)
The already mentioned canon 10-22

Ther maybe a prime out there and that may be your best bet - I'm not into the primes so i can't help there.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70 f2.8 L IS

05/11/2006 07:34:10 PM · #8

Originally posted by Ryencool:

Well I would love the 10-22mm canon but the 3.5 would kill me.

Sigma maks a 20mm f/1.8 that's pretty well thought of. Price is around $409 USD. Canon makes a 28mm f/1.8 that is reasonably good, and just slightly cheaper.
The king of wide and fast is the Canon 24mm f/1.4L, but the price is steep, currently $1120 @ B&H. Sigma makes a 30mm f/1.4 that is quite decent, but 30mm isn't really very wide...

the_Seeker

05/11/2006 07:40:38 PM · #9

I�m looking for a wide angle lens too and I�m waiting to see what the reviews of the Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 say. On the official Tamron site they list it as being $763.95 but it can be found at the major photo sites for way lower. It�s not out yet and I haven�t found a release date for it but the buzz seems that it should be released very soon, some say any day now. *Crosses fingers that it gets Awesome reviews*

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

05/11/2006 07:44:07 PM · #10

yeah I jsut found the sigma and might try it since the price is so cheap, and re-sell If I dont like it. Im just not satisfied with the kit lense under low light conditions, love the semi-wide angle on it with the crop body but man does it suck at night.

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

05/11/2006 07:47:04 PM · #11

You can't get a "true" wide angle lens on your 350xt at 2.8 or faster, as far as I know. Your crop factor is 1.6, making a 20mm lens actually 32mm coverage in terms of FF cameras. The fastest truly wide lens I know of for the APS-C sensor is the Canon 10-22mm at f/3.5-4.5...

Optical considerations make it extremely difficult to get really wide/fast apertures in lenses that short. Consider that Canon's vaunted 17-40mm f/4L is the FF equivalent of the 10-22 f/3.5-4.5, and you'll see it splits the difference. Canon makes a rectilinear, 14mm f/2.8 but that's a 22mm on your camera (wide but not stunningly so), it's very expensive ($1,400+), and it's only half a stop faster anyway...

R.

05/11/2006 07:48:11 PM · #12

Originally posted by shaggy35:

Do you mean faster shutter speeds? thats what I need. I sometimes shoot hip-hop concerts whcih are dim-lit, so faster is what im looking for.

Message edited by author 2006-05-11 19:50:09.

sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

05/11/2006 07:56:36 PM · #13

Pity your using the wrong brand of camera for wide angle choices.

Pentax-DA 14mm f2.8 is a ripper at only $524 with the current rebates.

Pentax-DA 12-24mm f4.0 was tested by Pophoto to have lower distortion at all focal lengths than the Canon 10-20mm and is only $619 with the current rebates.

Pentax-DA 10-17mm FE zoom, (if you don't mind correcting in post), gives 180degree diagonal fov on the APS-C format.

Hell, you could pick up a Pentax DL and 14mm f2.8 for under a grand and solve your wide angle woes.

bazz.

Elvis_L

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

05/11/2006 08:12:46 PM · #14

how much fish eye is ther on the edges of the canon 10-22?

soup

Canon EOS-30D

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

05/11/2006 08:18:41 PM · #15

bump up the ISO - use the kit lens - get neatimage.

generally a fast lens is considering the maximum aperture opening. that's what all the responses are about. that lets you use a faster shutter speed.

Originally posted by Ryencool:

Do you mean faster shutter speeds? thats what I need. I sometimes shoot hip-hop concerts whcih are dim-lit, so faster is what im looking for.

Message edited by author 2006-05-11 20:28:06.

sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

05/11/2006 08:24:37 PM · #16

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

how much fish eye is ther on the edges of the canon 10-22?

According to Pophoto tests, the Canon rates 2nd lowest in the amount of distortion in UWA zooms. Very good numbers indeed.

Canon 10-22:
At 10 (.52 percent)
At 14 (.11 percent)
At 20 (.22 percent)

bazz.

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

05/11/2006 08:25:21 PM · #17

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

how much fish eye is there on the edges of the canon 10-22?

None. It's almost perfectly rectilinear. You're referring to barrel distortion, I think. There's just the vaguest hint of it in the 10-22, virtually unnoticeable.

R.

soup

Canon EOS-30D

05/11/2006 08:28:43 PM · #18

that's an outstanding piece of gear.

sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

05/11/2006 08:32:58 PM · #19

To put those numbers in perspective.....

cheers,
bazz.

Pentax-DA 12-24mm
At 12 (.30 percent)
at 18 (.06 percent) (Imperceptible distortion)
at 24 (.01 percent)

Nikon 12-24
At 12 (1.31 percent) (very visible)
At 18 (.56) (visible)
At 24 (.57) (visible)

Canon 10-22:
At 10 (.52 percent)
At 14 (.11 percent)
At 20 (.22 percent)

Tokina 12-24:
At 12 (1.22 percent)
At 18 (.45 percent)
At 24 (.33 percent)

Sigma 10-20:
At 10 (1.26 percent)
At 20 (.35 percent)

Sigma 12-24
At 12 (.22 percent)
At 24 (.93 percent)

Tamron 11-18:
At 11 (1.01 percent)
At 18 (.55 percent)

robshookphoto

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 28mm f/1.8 USM

05/11/2006 08:48:59 PM · #20

ok... seems to me that you have several choices... first is practice. i may not take the best pictures... impulsive, maybe? ... but i can shoot 1/5 sec shutter at 18mm on my 18-55. this is solely because i am obsessive with my hobbies, and photography is my favorite hobby. The second choice i see is a canon 17-35 2.8-4.0 for around 500 (maybe less, i'm not sure). of course you could get the 17-35mm 2.8L for over a thousand - 17-35mm 2.8L . Third choice would be a 17-40 f/4.0, which is an amazing lens as far as image quality. a constant 4.0 aperture is very good, too 17-40mm f/4.0 . A last choice for canon lenses would be a 20mm 2.8, unless you are willing to spend thousands. This, i believe, is also around $500.