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 05/05/2006 05:16:28 PM · #1
If it is true. Can anyone verify that this is indeed accurate and authentic?

//www.nps.gov/applications/release/Detail.cfm?ID=643
 05/05/2006 05:17:59 PM · #2
it says commercial. do you shoot commercially?
 05/05/2006 05:18:34 PM · #3
What I wanted to point out is: If I bring my camera backpack and a tripod, how am I to persuade a local park police that I'm an amateur shooting for DPC?
 05/05/2006 05:19:50 PM · #4
It is on an official governement site... so, we can pretty much guess it's valid.

Message edited by author 2006-05-05 17:20:54.
 05/05/2006 05:20:31 PM · #5
Originally posted by srdanz:
What I wanted to point out is: If I bring my camera backpack and a tripod, how am I to persuade a local park police that I'm an amateur shooting for DPC?


Do you bring a production crew with you?
 05/05/2006 05:21:07 PM · #6
Originally posted by srdanz:
how am I to persuade a local park police that I'm an amateur shooting for DPC?

Another reason for DPC T-shirts!
 05/05/2006 05:22:59 PM · #7
Sorry to say it is true!
 05/05/2006 05:23:53 PM · #8
I think it is more along the lines of real commercial shoots such as Jeep putting their SUV at the grand canyon on a ridge and shooting it for large print ads.

I agree with fotomann - if you have a crew or if you ask for special permission for locations and what not, you would fall under the new rule.
 05/05/2006 05:24:20 PM · #9
Since it says "certain" still photography, I suspect they're thinking along the lines of the more intrusive, full studio-type setups with multiple lights, reflectors, etc. where the scenery is often used as a background for fashion shoots and such. I dont' suspect they'll hassle the actual nature/scenery photographer with a reasonable amount of gear.

edit; in the 4 min it took me to read the release and type a response several others said the same thing, less verbosely :)

Message edited by author 2006-05-05 17:25:30.
 05/05/2006 05:24:27 PM · #10
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:


Do you bring a production crew with you?


sometimes I use my 6 years old to hold the props for me.
 05/05/2006 05:24:34 PM · #11
Thats is BS! I pay taxes already this is just another regressive tax trying to keep a brother down!
 05/05/2006 05:24:57 PM · #12
Maybe they're trying to make it more challenging for their annual photo contest? ;^)
 05/05/2006 05:34:19 PM · #13
Originally posted by srdanz:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:


Do you bring a production crew with you?


sometimes I use my 6 years old to hold the props for me.


Hmmm... yeah... you might have to pay then :-P LOL

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Thats is BS! I pay taxes already this is just another regressive tax trying to keep a brother down!


Take that sexy model with you, she might be able to talk them out of making you pay :-)

Seriously, we are talking about true commercial shoots, such as the forementioned parking the Jeep at the Grand Canyon. If you want to just go shoot some landscapes or take portraits shoots, I seriously doubt it'll affect you.

I actually think it's fair. Why should the general public pay the bill for clean-up/maintenace after a big advertising shoot?
 05/05/2006 05:38:19 PM · #14
I'm going to be in Yosemite next weekend for a few days. Maybe I'll park my car with a nice view of Half Dome in the background and put my camera and some big reflectors up and see if I get questioned.
 05/05/2006 05:38:32 PM · #15
So what's the fee? $5? $10? I can't imagine they are going to sell the permits for $10,000. Sell you picture of Half Dome for $500 and you're still up $490. I think the fees will be no big deal if they are even enforced. I'd be willing to bet you could set up quite an elaborate photo shoot before the rangers even noticed.
 05/05/2006 05:40:44 PM · #16
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
I'm going to be in Yosemite next weekend for a few days. Maybe I'll park my car with a nice view of Half Dome in the background and put my camera and some big reflectors up and see if I get questioned.


*tries to imagine the size reflectors needed to light up Half Dome...

yea, you might get noticed ;)

Message edited by author 2006-05-05 17:40:58.
 05/05/2006 05:42:25 PM · #17
I talked to a ranger about this in Jonathan Dickinson State Park. I was told it was for any photography that is to be offered for sale.

I thought that if I got a shot that great I'd go back and purchase a permit before I sold it.
 05/05/2006 05:42:31 PM · #18
I can just imagine a bus load of tourists arriving say at Yosemite & some government official standing there collecting photograph taxes. I wonder if you which you would pay more for, panoramas or close ups.
 05/05/2006 05:45:44 PM · #19
From Yosemite's website:

Still photography
Photography of scenery has traditionally been part of a visit to a national park. Photography does not require a permit if it involves only hand-carried equipment (tripod, interchangeable lenses or flash), and does not involve professional crews, product or service advertisement, or use of models, props or sets.

A still photography permit is required when:

Product or service advertisement is involved;
Talent/models, props, crews or sets are involved;
The project has the potential to disrupt other park activities or visitors;
More than just hand carried equipment is utilized;

Project requires access to an area normally closed or restricted to general public use;
Access into an area outside of normal public use hours is required;
Project carries with a potential risk to park resources;
Activity raises safety concerns that can be mitigated through issuance of permit with restrictions.
 05/05/2006 05:48:15 PM · #20
"Application
Applications may be requested in person, by phone, fax (209/379-1853), email, or letter. Completed applications must be returned to the park with payment. There is a $150 non-refundable permit cost ($50 for application review, $100 for permit processing). It is recommended that $150 fee be paid in one check, although applicant may opt to split remittance into two payments. We cannot accept credit cards at this time. Money orders, cash or checks payable to "National Park Service" are accepted."
05/05/2006 05:50:29 PM · #21
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
"Application
Applications may be requested in person, by phone, fax (209/379-1853), email, or letter. Completed applications must be returned to the park with payment. There is a $150 non-refundable permit cost ($50 for application review, $100 for permit processing). It is recommended that $150 fee be paid in one check, although applicant may opt to split remittance into two payments. We cannot accept credit cards at this time. Money orders, cash or checks payable to "National Park Service" are accepted."


Any idea how long the permit lasts? That still isn't that bad of a deal for commercial shooting - especially if you're bringing a whole crew etc.
 05/05/2006 05:52:43 PM · #22
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
From Yosemite's website:

Still photography
Photography of scenery has traditionally been part of a visit to a national park. Photography does not require a permit if it involves only hand-carried equipment (tripod, interchangeable lenses or flash), and does not involve professional crews, product or service advertisement, or use of models, props or sets.

A still photography permit is required when:

Product or service advertisement is involved;
Talent/models, props, crews or sets are involved;
The project has the potential to disrupt other park activities or visitors;
More than just hand carried equipment is utilized;

Project requires access to an area normally closed or restricted to general public use;
Access into an area outside of normal public use hours is required;
Project carries with a potential risk to park resources;
Activity raises safety concerns that can be mitigated through issuance of permit with restrictions.


Further down on the page:
"Parachuting is prohibited."

damn it! what will they take away from us next!
 05/05/2006 05:53:54 PM · #23
You need commercial insurance or a bond for a Million Dollars. That keeps me out!
 05/05/2006 05:55:00 PM · #24
This is not surprising. I live in the city of Philadelphia in PA. If you are a professional Photographer and you deceide to do a shoot at the Phila. Museum of Art as well as pther locations in the city. you have to apply for and pay for a permit. If you don't have it the shoot can be stopped and a fine issued.

Message edited by author 2006-05-05 17:56:01.
 05/05/2006 06:03:38 PM · #25
Originally posted by Megatherian:
*tries to imagine the size reflectors needed to light up Half Dome...

yea, you might get noticed ;)


lol, I realized how it sounded when I posted... good one!
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