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08/14/2003 12:06:56 AM · #1 |
The 'past' is a really poor challenge topic ot have 'no edits'. This challenge screams for b/w and duotoned images. It also puts the higher end SLR cameras at an extreme disadvantage. Poor idea.
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08/14/2003 12:07:59 AM · #2 |
Some cams shoot in-cam b/w. How would you know?
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08/14/2003 12:09:31 AM · #3 |
To attempt to recover from last week's mistake (the Future Challenge), this week we are doing the Past. The catch is that you are not allowe to do any post processing what-so-ever. You are allowed to resize -- and that's final.
No cropping?
Mo contrast?
No histogram?
No Grayscale?
No Good!
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08/14/2003 12:10:42 AM · #4 |
I just think it's a piss poor idea. Why solicit a bunch of photos that aren't gonna be what they could be? I'm about to give up. The challenge topics lately have been mediocre (IMO) and this 'no edit' challenge is just a joke...
I'm outta here for a few weeks... I don't suppose the site is gonna move forward. Let's go backwards instead for a while...
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08/14/2003 12:11:10 AM · #5 |
Bah! I know one person who won't be submitting...every film photograph in history has been post-processed, so why the constant gripe about no edits? I just don't understand. My camera won't take photos in black and white, and the images straight out of the camera aren't satisfactory to me 99.9% of the time. If I'm not happy with it I won't submit it...
Message edited by author 2003-08-14 00:14:38. |
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08/14/2003 12:12:38 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Some cams shoot in-cam b/w. How would you know?
M |
All grayscale images could be subject to DQ requests, meaning you'd have to produce the original. |
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08/14/2003 12:17:30 AM · #7 |
| I think it is a good challenge for good old fashioned photography. We'll see who the real photographers are. |
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08/14/2003 12:19:21 AM · #8 |
I probably won't enter this challenge. I agree that shots straight out of the camera can almost always be better, even with some minor tweaking for levels, saturation, etc. Besides, I don't feel like voting on 50 pictures of an old film SLR camera...
I've got a few dusty Nikons laying around, which would probably be my entry anyway, so make that 51.
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08/14/2003 12:21:49 AM · #9 |
The "real" photographers use dodge and burn and the old fashioned photography has nothing to do with this.
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08/14/2003 12:25:54 AM · #10 |
I'm anxious to use the challenge to improve my photography. I have had too many shots that were taken too dark or too light and I've had to adjust--and lose image quality. So for a challenge, this is a good idea.
Hey, it's only one challenge, folks. Have fun with it and learn something!
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08/14/2003 12:26:29 AM · #11 |
I do agree with the idea that images straight out-of-camera are certainly not as good as they can be.
I do consider it an interesting challenge to get the best possible image straight out of the camera, so I don't really understand the angst in some of the posts here.
I don't really see where SLRs are at any real disadvantage in this challenge either. OK, so you can't do in-camera B/W or sepia, and that does take out some possibilities, but surely there are many others?
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08/14/2003 12:26:49 AM · #12 |
I'm out too. I want to provide images that I'm proud of, I don't think I would be proud of a shot that I couldn't adjust for proper color balance and tones....
There's always the other 2 challenges this week.
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08/14/2003 12:28:55 AM · #13 |
Good old fashioned photography? You've got to be kidding. Yeah, hook up the good ol' fashioned USB cable and resize the image in the trusty PhotoShop 7. Bollocks. The best film photographers are wizards in the darkroom. Ansel Adams' own negatives have been described as 'boring'. What do you think goes on when you take a roll of film to the developers? Have you ever tried to enjoy the aesthetics of a film negative? They adjust contrast, lightness, sharpness, tone, hue, they crop and even touch up images on occasion. A camera is nothing more than a tool, and the image straight out of the camera one step in the process. It's like making a cake and not getting to bake it.
Post processing is a crucial part of film photography. Any other opinion is just based in ignorance.
Originally posted by clues56:
I think it is a good challenge for good old fashioned photography. We'll see who the real photographers are. |
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08/14/2003 12:31:01 AM · #14 |
Out of camera means 4:3 image resized down to 640 X 480 and submit!
Wow,that is easy!
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08/14/2003 12:31:46 AM · #15 |
| No editing challenge on a digital photography site? If you want to have a "purist" challenge, why not make it a film challenge where entries can only be shot on a manual SLR (no meter) and a 50mm lens. Then we could see who the "real photographers" are. |
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08/14/2003 12:33:23 AM · #16 |
| What are y'all so afraid of?? |
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08/14/2003 12:37:43 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Good old fashioned photography? |
Well, it might compare with old-fashioned "popular" photography where you shot all the frames on your Brownie, mailed the camera back to Kodak, and got back prints and another loaded camera. Maybe the technicians performed the wizardry you describe, but the vast majority of film photographers (public, not pros) don't have much to do with the final output.
I'm not particularly in favor of "No Processing" in general but can try and cope for one challenge. |
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08/14/2003 12:39:36 AM · #18 |
How about just take a shot of something that reflects the past, resize it down and submit it.
Or maybe sit this one out and give a clear look at what gets submitted without having to thik that the photo you are voting on may beat out your entry this challenge.
Last I checked we didn't have to enter every single challenge that's thrown up on the boards.
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08/14/2003 12:40:12 AM · #19 |
Good points, all. It's true that post processing is a marvelous and wonderful thing. But this is only one challenge, and for me it is a good exercise. If I don't get a photo I'm pleased with, I won't submit--but I'm gonna try!
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08/14/2003 12:40:55 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by rickhd13:
Last I checked we didn't have to enter every single challenge that's thrown up on the boards. |
I don't believe you -- where does it say that? |
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08/14/2003 12:41:46 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by rickhd13:
Last I checked we didn't have to enter every single challenge that's thrown up on the boards. |
I don't believe you -- where does it say that? |
You will have to just trust me on this one GeneralE |
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08/14/2003 12:42:30 AM · #22 |
I feel left out... can someone explain what was so wrong with the Future Challenge?
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08/14/2003 12:42:32 AM · #23 |
Why the ire about this challenge?
A - It's only one challenge. Take a shot at it.
B - Post processing is part of photography but anyone that submits to DPC has to work around rules that potentially restrict some of their skills every challenge.
C - No one says you can't post process the image for later consumption in some other gallery or even here on DPCPrints.
D - I'm trying to get better at many facets of photography. Not being able to compare my image with others out there lessens my learning experience. Heck, I'm not complaining that some of you are better at using PS or have better lenses. Isn't the goal here that we all have a common challenge and we're working in this community to enhance our skills? So this week we stop a little shorter than other weeks. I appreciate getting to compete and compare with many of you folks. Seeing your creativity challenges me to spend more thought and effort. Just take a picture that you know you can enjoy and feel good about once its finished and then don't finish it.
Just my $0.02
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08/14/2003 12:44:44 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by bamaster:
I feel left out... can someone explain what was so wrong with the Future Challenge? |
Check out this thread //www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=37371
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08/14/2003 12:46:23 AM · #25 |
A buncha photographs that could be a lot better...
Originally posted by clues56:
What are y'all so afraid of?? |
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