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 04/22/2006 01:25:59 AM · #1
Ok, maybe that's a bit harsh, but I am a little disappointed that when I tried to log in to my hotmail account today, it told me that I am blocking cookies and I MUST allow cookies in order to log in.

Well uhhhhh. I have cookies allowed on an 'ask me' basis. I have them set to 'allow all' for hotmail's sites. Not for MSN though which I don't like or trust.

Fun thing is, I can't find any place where this information is stored or anywhere that will allow me to reset the pages that I have chosen to 'always' block/accept.

I do not have any interest in running my browser with all cookies enabled.

I find it interesting that Microsoft would require a lower security setting for you to use their mail service.

I find it insanely bizarre that when I go to WWW.HOTMAIL.COM, it isn't quite sure which site I want to log in to, also requiring me to type in my email address in full. Seriously, is it really so difficult to set a default? YEESH!

Is it any wonder that I consider hotmail to be my 'all purpose garbage collecter' mail site?

Bleh. Now I have to open Firefox just so I can read my mail... Maybe I will try to update and see if they have added compatibility with WinXP for Tablet yet... (my current version conflicts with my Tablet enabled OS, not giving me the tabtips which allow me to use my stylus to hand-write in text areas... handy when I want to sign my name or do other input in Chinese... also, I frequently encounter memory issues where it runs away with 30-150MB of RAM after surfing to just a few sites with a single window/tab open... yech)
 04/22/2006 01:44:42 AM · #2
Sucks. Want a Gmail account? I can send an invite if you want. :p
 04/22/2006 01:47:37 AM · #3
Thanks, I actually have them all.

eschelar@hotmail
eschelar@lycos
eschelar@email.com
eschelar@yahoo
eschelar@gmail
eschelar@...
eschelar@........

I only maintain 4 as active though but I got them to prevent others from using my name.

This has only ever occured from spam type use.

I don't like Gmail actually. The layout and the organization of it feels messy to me. I hate not having a delete button. It's like having a desk with lots of files and boxes for organization, but you can never remove ANY paper from it. It just has to get put deeper and deeper into boxes and files. There's plenty of stuff that I want to delete.

Sometimes, a messy feeling is just as bad as a mess itself.

I find it very difficult to get things done if I am surrounded by disorganization.

Message edited by author 2006-04-22 01:49:21.
 04/22/2006 02:05:30 AM · #4
there is a delete button ;)

since I have a Gmail account, I said goodbye to hotmail..
 04/22/2006 02:07:15 AM · #5
Originally posted by eschelar:
I don't like Gmail actually. The layout and the organization of it feels messy to me. I hate not having a delete button. It's like having a desk with lots of files and boxes for organization, but you can never remove ANY paper from it. It just has to get put deeper and deeper into boxes and files. There's plenty of stuff that I want to delete.


And so what were you thinking this was?



Just put a check in the ones you want to delete, and click Delete.
 04/22/2006 02:09:02 AM · #6
lol, thank you dwterry ;)
 04/22/2006 02:23:26 AM · #7
Originally posted by biteme:
lol, thank you dwterry ;)


lol - I just hope it doesn't come across as "rude". I mean ... I'm sure it's an honest mistake, he must have somehow missed it. (or who knows, maybe back when he looked at it, gmail didn't have a delete button?!?)
04/22/2006 02:30:47 AM · #8
Even before they added the delete button, you could delete through the drop-down menu. But adding the button is better useability, I'm glad they finally did it. Even with more storage than you could possibly want, some emails are not worth storing.

I've never liked Hotmail and have barely used my account there. If the IM services were interoperable I would never have created a Hotmail account.

Hotmail is an example of "never underestimate Microsoft's ability to take a good idea and botch its implementation".
04/22/2006 02:35:12 AM · #9
ROFL, just goes to show how long it's been since I have even used the durn thing. I think it's close to a year since I sent/received anything on gmail. I haven't even checked it for probably 4 months.

Last time I was there, there wasn't a delete button.

Gave the email a once-over and left it at that.

I used it because at the time it was the only website that supported properly displayed dual language, chinese-english text and I was corresponding at the time with a young lady in the countryside. It didn't last long, so neither did my interest in gmail.

Maybe it's worth giving it another look...

EDIT: ROFL - GMail also requires cookies... dangit.

Message edited by author 2006-04-22 02:45:49.
 04/22/2006 02:57:33 AM · #10
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Message edited by author 2006-04-22 03:06:11.
 04/22/2006 08:30:31 AM · #11
Originally posted by eschelar:

EDIT: ROFL - GMail also requires cookies... dangit.


Or just set it up for POP access (also free) and use Thunderbird, Outlook, or whatever. You can still keep everything on the server for when you need to check from someplace else.
 04/22/2006 08:35:19 AM · #12
Doesn't it bother any of you that Google "reads" your emails. They readily admit that they go beyond screening for viruses and analyze the content for key words or whatever, so they can tailor ads that you will be interested in. But along the way they also compile info on you from doing that. For me, that's way over the line.
 04/22/2006 08:46:18 AM · #13
I'm not ashamed of the email i get through gmail.. so it doesnt bother me if they scan for keywords..

Originally posted by photodude:
Doesn't it bother any of you that Google "reads" your emails. They readily admit that they go beyond screening for viruses and analyze the content for key words or whatever, so they can tailor ads that you will be interested in. But along the way they also compile info on you from doing that. For me, that's way over the line.
04/22/2006 12:13:44 PM · #14
Thanks dogz, but I am morally opposed to offline mail readers. I have actually picked up a couple of viruses in the past and I would likely have suffered some major compromised information from that if I had been using offline mail.

Keeping it on the server is slightly more secure because it's more work for hackers to get your info that way, so you are protected by one of the greatest protections ever... inconvenience...

Outlook is so emminently hackable it's not even funny.
 04/22/2006 12:19:17 PM · #15
Originally posted by photodude:
Doesn't it bother any of you that Google "reads" your emails. They readily admit that they go beyond screening for viruses and analyze the content for key words or whatever, so they can tailor ads that you will be interested in. But along the way they also compile info on you from doing that. For me, that's way over the line.


Yes, but it's all done automagically, It's just keyword analysis pretty much the same as you get with a Google search or Google Ads, based on the email you are looking at at the moment - they don't have a computer (or a person!) scanning your entire email account to see what sort of things you might look at.

For example, if I open up the email that I sent to a couple of friends mentioning Sony's press release about their DSLR range (as purchased from Konica-Minolta), then the ads that show up are for digital camera shops and news release services. If I open up the emails between me and a couple of others about how to deal with a couple of mice seen at our church, the ads are for mouse and rat control services, no sign of anything about digital cameras.

Personally, I think it is LESS invasive (and has less privacy implications) than the Google/Yahoo/etc browser toolbars, or even more so the sites with advertising that drop cookies on your computer to track all your website visits without even telling you.
04/22/2006 03:57:14 PM · #16
It was love at first sight with gmail. and now they have added the function to send from any address, so all my other pop3 address I can now manage in my gmail account. Love it!
 04/22/2006 03:58:14 PM · #17
Originally posted by photodude:
Doesn't it bother any of you that Google "reads" your emails. They readily admit that they go beyond screening for viruses and analyse the content for key words or whatever, so they can tailor ads that you will be interested in. But along the way they also compile info on you from doing that. For me, that's way over the line.

Nope. It's no different form any other web based email, such as yahoo, lycos etc etc, they can all read your mail if they really want to. The only difference is google does something useful with it. I'd much rather have adds that interest me, than adds about stuff I couldn't care less about.

Message edited by author 2006-04-22 16:04:10.
 04/22/2006 05:09:29 PM · #18
Its not just the ad's. They are compiling information about you which I'm sure they are selling to anybody willing to write a check, without any restrictions
 04/22/2006 05:11:12 PM · #19
what do you expect for free?
 04/22/2006 05:25:50 PM · #20
Originally posted by photodude:
Its not just the ad's. They are compiling information about you which I'm sure they are selling to anybody willing to write a check, without any restrictions

I may be wrong, but I thought it said somewhere in their TOS that they didn't do that...
 04/22/2006 05:44:22 PM · #21
quote:
We provide advertisers only aggregated non-personal information such as the number of times one of their ads was clicked. We do not sell, rent or otherwise share your personal information with any third parties except in the limited circumstances described in the Google Privacy Policy, such as when we believe we are required to do so by law.

Google privacy policy:
Google only shares personal information with other companies or individuals outside of Google in the following limited circumstances:

* We have your consent. We require opt-in consent for the sharing of any sensitive personal information.
* We provide such information to our subsidiaries, affiliated companies or other trusted businesses or persons for the purpose of processing personal information on our behalf. We require that these parties agree to process such information based on our instructions and in compliance with this Policy and any other appropriate confidentiality and security measures.
* We have a good faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of such information is reasonably necessary to (a) satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request, (b) enforce applicable Terms of Service, including investigation of potential violations thereof, (c) detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security or technical issues, or (d) protect against imminent harm to the rights, property or safety of Google, its users or the public as required or permitted by law.

If Google becomes involved in a merger, acquisition, or any form of sale of some or all of its assets, we will provide notice before personal information is transferred and becomes subject to a different privacy policy.

Full info can be found here: //www.google.com/privacypolicy.html

Message edited by author 2006-04-22 17:47:35.
 04/22/2006 06:09:20 PM · #22
Email is not private. It is sent without encryption (unless you encrypt the contents yourself) and without warranty of delivery. Any server along the way can (and many do) read anything that is sent -- they can also delete any they don't wish to send on. It is the internet equivalent of having a conversation between tables at a very crowded restraunt. There is no expectation of privacy, and it should certainly not be assumed.

The section from Google's Privacy Policy (and any other for that matter) in all likelihood does not include the personal bits of information publicly stated in a non-private transmission.

Old arguement, but as for cookies ... they are harmless. A cookie can only contain the information you give the server -- and can only be read by the server that wrote them. They are used only as a matter of convienence for you and the server. It doesn't really matter if they store the information you've given them about you on their server or locally on your machine -- it is still only the information you have given them.

David

Message edited by author 2006-04-22 18:10:59.
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