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 03/25/2006 02:01:51 AM · #1
alright, when i open a raw file in photoshop elements 3 it gives me a few options such as temperature, contrast, saturation, tint, exposure.....can i adjust these and still be able to enter the photos in the challenge under basic editing?
 03/25/2006 02:02:43 AM · #2
Yes.
 03/26/2006 09:55:50 AM · #3
Is it allowed to apply Warming Filter in Photoshop?
 03/26/2006 10:32:48 AM · #4
Originally posted by chedathedog:
Is it allowed to apply Warming Filter in Photoshop?

Answer: No
(Ironically, though, you can achieve the same effect with adjustment layers in normal mode which are allowed)

Basic rules state:

Filters: The use of filters (or non-Photoshop equivalent) is strictly limited. Any filter or stand-alone utility designed and used to preserve the integrity of the image and/or reduce the effects of noise, scratches, etc, are permitted. These include but are not limited to the Sharpen, Unsharp Mask, and Dust & Scratches filters, and standalone image cleanup utilities such as NeatImage. However, no effects filters may be applied to your image, with the exception of Noise and Gaussian Blur, which are allowed. Any filter permitted by this rule must be applied uniformly to the entire image. Selective application of any filter is prohibited.

03/26/2006 10:53:35 AM · #5
Thank you! I'll use that then.. :) I see that borders are allowed, but didn't see anyone using them here.. Maybe I'll try that, too :))
 03/26/2006 11:02:33 AM · #6
Originally posted by chedathedog:
Thank you! I'll use that then.. :) I see that borders are allowed, but didn't see anyone using them here.. Maybe I'll try that, too :))

I can't speak for others but borders generally don't add much to a composition for me and I generally ignore them.

I'd recommend to you that if you want to add a border that you do so in a separate layer so that it can easily be discarded later if necessary. I don't use borders because if I make a print I like to use a mat board for that purpose.
 03/26/2006 11:06:03 AM · #7
I agree about the borders. I don't much like them, and have only really seen where they added anything at all to the photo in one or two special cases. Just don't see the need for them.
 03/26/2006 11:15:34 AM · #8
I sometimes use borders as a way to put some element of the photograph in the center of viewer's attention - that's one case where i find them useful
 03/26/2006 11:30:34 AM · #9
Originally posted by chedathedog:
I sometimes use borders as a way to put some element of the photograph in the center of viewer's attention - that's one case where i find them useful

I would agree that borders can and have been used to good effect. I also think they are valuable if you were making a poster from a picture. Posters traditionally have borders included as part of the print. Fine art photographs usually don't.
 03/26/2006 11:36:04 AM · #10
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by chedathedog:
Thank you! I'll use that then.. :) I see that borders are allowed, but didn't see anyone using them here.. Maybe I'll try that, too :))

I can't speak for others but borders generally don't add much to a composition for me and I generally ignore them.

I'd recommend to you that if you want to add a border that you do so in a separate layer so that it can easily be discarded later if necessary. I don't use borders because if I make a print I like to use a mat board for that purpose.


Or simply apply the borders after resizing; that version at 640 pixels is never used for printing anyway...

R.

Message edited by author 2006-03-26 11:36:17.
 03/27/2006 10:38:30 AM · #11
The Warming Filter applied via the Photo Filter dialog in Photoshop isn't actually a filter. The option isn't found under the Filter menu but Under Image->Adjustments... so if the warming filter is applied to the photo as whole not selectivly, then it's legal under Basic Editing, right?
 03/27/2006 11:05:56 AM · #12
Originally posted by Techo:
The Warming Filter applied via the Photo Filter dialog in Photoshop isn't actually a filter. The option isn't found under the Filter menu but Under Image->Adjustments... so if the warming filter is applied to the photo as whole not selectivly, then it's legal under Basic Editing, right?

That is a point worth making. It is accessed under "Image->Adjustments->Photo filters" as opposed being under "filter".

This is a relatively recent addition to Photoshop and clouds the rulesets a bit as they currently exist.

I'd be very surprised if it were allowed since a filter is a filter regardless where it is located, but a specific site ruling may be in order.

Quite frankly, using adjustment layers in normal mode for warming gives you far better creative control anyway and there is no question about using them under basic rules.
 03/27/2006 11:07:44 AM · #13
Originally posted by Techo:
The Warming Filter applied via the Photo Filter dialog in Photoshop isn't actually a filter. The option isn't found under the Filter menu but Under Image->Adjustments... so if the warming filter is applied to the photo as whole not selectivly, then it's legal under Basic Editing, right?


We don't go by where something is located in the menu (that differs for each different editing program) but by what it does. So the lesson there is, just because it's not located in the filters menu does not necessarily mean it is legal.
While effects filters are not allowed in Basic (specific exceptions are gaussian blur and add noise or equivalents) virtually all color adjustments are allowed. This means that a sepia "effect" is legal, as is a warming, cooling, grayscale conversion, or even color inversion. All these effects are easily achievable using the basic tools of levels, hue/saturation and curves.
So in summation, you can use a color "filter" in Basic as long as it is applied to the entire image.
 03/27/2006 11:51:48 AM · #14
Originally posted by kirbic:

So in summation, you can use a color "filter" in Basic as long as it is applied to the entire image.


Beam me up, kirbic... Are you SURE you want to go on record as saying this????? I've never heard this before. Sorry if I'm confused, but this really leaves me with the impression that you have not at all answered the question but have added more possibility for misinterpretation.
 03/27/2006 12:52:45 PM · #15
Originally posted by nards656:
Originally posted by kirbic:

So in summation, you can use a color "filter" in Basic as long as it is applied to the entire image.


Beam me up, kirbic... Are you SURE you want to go on record as saying this????? I've never heard this before. Sorry if I'm confused, but this really leaves me with the impression that you have not at all answered the question but have added more possibility for misinterpretation.

A specific color adjustment intended to mimic the effect of a traditional on-camera (physical) filter would be allowed.

A "filter" for data which processes data and moves pixels around is not legal, except for the few specifically mentioned in the rules.

Filter = colored glass mounted on your lens (or digital equivalent) = legal

Filter = mathematical algorithm = shifts in position of pixels = not legal
 03/27/2006 01:06:59 PM · #16
If I were you I wouldn't use any filters reguardless of what anybody says. Advanced editing rules state that you can use filters but you really can't. We've all seen where and what using filters will get ya!!
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