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12/14/2005 02:44:26 AM · #1 |
"The old photographer's cliché is now a challenge topic. Use cheese as the subject of your photo to make your audience smile."
I'm sure that says 'Use cheese..." and yet a lot of entries seem to be cheese-less!
I suppose the concept of something cheesy might just substitute.
Message edited by author 2005-12-14 02:45:18. |
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12/14/2005 02:57:34 AM · #2 |
I notice that also; hell of a lot of cheeseless pictures in this challenge.
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12/14/2005 03:01:18 AM · #3 |
| Well, we can always discourage them. Be creative |
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12/14/2005 03:33:08 AM · #4 |
Many people will not like my comments.
I finished voting them all and SO MANY TIMES, I kept trying to click the "BAD" link!
This went from flagrant "I didn't read the description" to "I don't give a @#$%*! about cheese, look at my perty picture"
*shakes head*
On a positive note, there were a handful of great, creative and ON-TOPIC shots in there.
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12/14/2005 03:45:28 AM · #5 |
| The sentence "narrow minded" pops up in my head. People are very narrow minded voting on these pictures. I´m sorry to say. Creativity is not a very smart thing to use when everybody expects a Colgate smile. |
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12/14/2005 03:56:31 AM · #6 |
I'm not expecting a Colgate smile, I'm at least expecting something that somewhat reminds me of cheese when I look at the picture...hell, if I didn't know the challenge involved Cheese I would have no idea what a lot of these pictures are for.
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Actually, even knowing the challenge details I still don't understand a lot of them. |
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12/14/2005 03:59:32 AM · #7 |
marvin, I'm sorry but I don't understand your comment?
The whole point is that this challenge is not supposed to show 'Colgate' smiles, but to make the audience smile, USING cheese.
There are some very creative interpretations of this amongst the entries, but too many 'cheesy' smiles indicate contributors didn't read the Challenge details before submitting their images, or if they did, they didn't care.
Having just had this issue highlighted on the Too Late challenge, I would have expected greater adherence to the challenge. |
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12/14/2005 04:55:05 AM · #8 |
| What I mean is that I tried with an ambition to make a fun creative twist on the theme. I´m getting my ass kicked out there. I suspect that voters are not understanding my submission or expecting something else. My friend submitted a snapshot wich took him a fraction of a second to do without much thought. I think he is beating the hell out of me. |
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12/14/2005 05:12:32 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Many people will not like my comments.
I finished voting them all and SO MANY TIMES, I kept trying to click the "BAD" link!
This went from flagrant "I didn't read the description" to "I don't give a @#$%*! about cheese, look at my perty picture"
*shakes head*
On a positive note, there were a handful of great, creative and ON-TOPIC shots in there. |
Stop trying to discourage creativity and imagination. If some one can come up with a wonderful picture that is even remotely close to the topic, I say bravo to them. You shouldn't vote someone low because it doesn't relate to the topic in the way you think it should. You're only making people despise their own imagination and turning this into monolithic website. You can see it in the reproduction of old winners from fear of venturing out what is already approved, as it most often results in the demolishing of that photo through low voting.
I think that the whole subject of photography is taking the ordinary subject as everyone else see's it and turning it into something beautiful or meaningful, so I don't think you should vote low just because it's not how you want to see it relate to the topic. Perhaps you should just forget what the challenge is, look at the photo and vote according to how you like it. If it's even remotely on the subject I'm sure that, when your really looking at it, something about it will remind you of what the subject is. That should be enough.
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12/14/2005 05:21:12 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by shabbychic:
... Perhaps you should just forget what the challenge is, look at the photo and vote according to how you like it. ... |
"While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly. "
It's in the rules...challenge topic does matter. ;^)
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12/14/2005 05:28:05 AM · #11 |
Oh... well dear me, I've just made a fool of myself.
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12/14/2005 05:41:46 AM · #12 |
| I mean, if that were the case then why have challenge topics at all, right? |
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12/14/2005 05:50:10 AM · #13 |
I'm sorry, but as
"use cheese to make audience smile" I meant cheese as a photographic cliché and not mozzarella.
Is this a sin? I think there is space for both interpretations even if you're a nazy...
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12/14/2005 06:13:11 AM · #14 |
| Themes are the guidelines for you to follow. Not so everybody can take pictures of a Colgate smile. You are killing creativity with this narrow minded theme voting. Really is boring. I wont change how I approach the theme anyways, just wanted to express my thoughts. Good luck everyone. |
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12/14/2005 06:19:25 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by marvin:
Themes are the guidelines for you to follow. Not so everybody can take pictures of a Colgate smile. You are killing creativity with this narrow minded theme voting. Really is boring. I wont change how I approach the theme anyways, just wanted to express my thoughts. Good luck everyone. |
That was what I meant. I think that the description leaves space for both interpretations. So space for creativity. |
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12/14/2005 06:30:06 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by modgethanc:
I mean, if that were the case then why have challenge topics at all, right? |
I'm definatly not saying discard the topic subject all together. I think challenge topics help spark the mind. I mean over half the stuff I come up with I wouldn't have ever thought of if I didn't have the topics to spur some thought. I'm just saying, I think that before you give some one a 1 as a score for not following the topic exactly like you wanted, that you should really look at the picture and see if it deserves it or if they were just putting real effort into finding a new way to look at the topic.
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12/14/2005 06:35:51 AM · #17 |
| In general, I only give 1s to picture that just flat-out hurt to look at. If I don't think it meets the challenge at first glance, but it can make up for it technically or appeal in some other way, I'll only knock it down a point or two.... |
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12/14/2005 06:53:53 AM · #18 |
I agree, but look at such a comment I had:
Since I am somewhat of a DNMC nazi, I can't give this a high score, but since it's such a good pic and .... (removed not to influence), I can't give it a low score either so... (removed not to influence).
I appreciate the honesty of this guy or girl that wrote a comment, but many people do like that:
- vote 1,2 when they see children, even if pictures are very tasteful just because they ate the subject and doesn't comment at all.
Example (not mine): 
- vote 1,2 when they see that what they intended to be the subject of the challenge is not in the picture, without taking the time to ask themselves "Why is this picture there?"
I try to enjoy pictures and look for art and creativity not at literally representation of words. At the very beginning I used to vote really low when I saw a bad picture. Now I'm following graphicfunk suggestion (never or almost never vote 1 or 2 because there's a person, a thought and a work behinf and nobody is a genius - especially me). |
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12/14/2005 07:11:40 AM · #19 |
| I haven't looked through them yet. But one comment I got is a little disturbing. According to this commentor, the dictionary says 'say cheese' means 'take a picture of a small smile.' So since I didn't have a smile in my shot (although I do have cheese) it doesn't meet challenge requirements. |
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12/14/2005 07:15:54 AM · #20 |
I can't believe it, I got the same comment!! I had a hard time understanding what he meant by his comment (I am not sure I can put here the comment).
It's true, I have no smile in my photo, but this was not a requirement. We were suppose to make people smile, not to necessarily have a smile in the photo.
Oh well, never mind. I had fun taking the photo, so at least I got one person smile: myself :-))))
cheers!
Bianca
ps: oh, and I got cheese in my photo :-)
Message edited by author 2005-12-14 07:21:54.
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12/14/2005 07:16:11 AM · #21 |
| You can be creative as you want here....just make sure if the challenge says cheese you show cheese and if is says candlelight you show a lit candle....the majority of the voters having spoken in the past regardless of the subject and how excellent and magnificent the picture is....subtlety is not something you should work towards....you got to beat them voters over the head and make sure your got a neon sign of an arrow pointing to your challenge subject so they see it prominently or you'll get voted down. You want intepretation....dream and then see a soothsayer....do not use on your image here....and if you do go with your intepretation....be happy with your image and don't worry about the votes...as long as you're happy and proud of your work....do all the votes matter? Hope not... |
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12/14/2005 07:37:27 AM · #22 |
| I will be very disappointed if ANY shot NOT containing cheese scores higher than ANY shot that does have cheese in it. |
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12/14/2005 07:41:13 AM · #23 |
| It is easy to argue that a picture should be judged on its own merrit and artistic form. a lot easyer than it is to actualy go out and create a picture using the topic. The topic is there for a reason to help develop artistic ability with a subject in mind to create, not just to shoehorn and great picture into the topic and then argue damn the topic look how good my picture is....... |
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12/14/2005 07:41:29 AM · #24 |
Who said it had to be literal cheese?
I have said for a long time that the harsh technical adherance to literal interpretation is truly representative of at least the perception that photography is to tied to realism to be fine art. Break that perception.
****************** Using cheese does not have to mean port salut or buffalo mozzarella is in the shot. Because then if you use fake cheese, or a picture of cheese, or a stuffed swiss cheese toy, did you use cheese as the subject? See how mechanical and utterly silly that is? do you see? Certainly you wouldn't have a self righteous thread about the fact that the topic was "cheese as a subject" but someone used tofu based cheese and thats not really cheese... or showed a cheeseburger but the cheese didn't show? or showed a package of cheese but it doesn't count because the actual cheese was hidden?
Who said it had to be a photograph of literal and realistic true cow/sheep/goatsmilk cheese?
It says use cheese as a subject.
If you want to vote someone down because in your head you think they didn't meet the toic, go right ahead, no matter how foolish that may be. Just don't run threads about how people don't adhere to the topic, when its not truly defined, and the argument is, for lack of a better word, "cheesy." |
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12/14/2005 07:47:39 AM · #25 |
"Use cheese as the subject of your photo to make your audience smile."
enough said! |
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