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 12/05/2005 11:54:49 AM · #1
I think that you should set it up to where if someone votes below a 5 (since 5 would be mediocre) they must leave a comment explaining what they think was wrong. even if it's just "not my taste" it seems lately lots of people are getting random low votes with no explanation and maybe this would help out in some sort of way.
 12/05/2005 11:56:21 AM · #2
I think this has been discussed many times before. Usually the consensus is that forced comments won't be very useful ...
 12/05/2005 11:56:34 AM · #3
This has been suggested about eleventy billion times. And every one of those times, people point out that if you require someone to leave a comment, they'll either leave something like a period, a few nonsense words or just not vote.

I think a better suggestion would be for people to stop complaining about comments in the forums and calling people out. Perhaps then people would be more willing ot share their thoughts.
 12/05/2005 11:59:21 AM · #4
my appologies for suggesting it for the 11 billionth time but I just find it very frustrating to have 44 votes and no comments and a score of 5.. not b/c my score is a 5 but b/c of the fact no 1 wants to comment why or suggest anything. I think DPC should find a way of encouraging comments.. maybe set it to where you have to comment on a % of the images... I know some people will just put a . or something like that but some people might actually comment too..
 12/05/2005 12:01:50 PM · #5
A lot of people do a first pass with just votes and go back to comment. It's only the beginning of voting (44 votes) so it is likely there will be comments later on in the week.
 12/05/2005 12:07:39 PM · #6
A bunch of votes with no comment IS a comment. It tells you that viewers found the shot OK, but didn't have much (or anything) to say about it. Forcing comments on images that don't provoke them isn't likely to result in any meaningful breakthroughs. The best way to get comments is to take a photo that people are compelled to talk about (ideally in a good way). ;-)
 12/05/2005 12:10:33 PM · #7
If we used that kind of system, expect much of "Bad", "Sucks" and "asdlfk" comments. Sometimes I just can't put a good comment, even if I wanted to.
12/05/2005 12:15:59 PM · #8
I is unfortunate that most of us cannot comment well on just "blah" pictures. I do it myself, but then I almost never give out 1-3 scores, and I figure the ones I gave those scores will already have enough others telling the "OOF, blurry, too dark, too small.." or whatever.

I think people should leave comments on a 1-3 vote too, but only if the ignored teh technicals, and voted them down for contenet or DMNC. If you feel its a DNMC, then say so.

We've had other discussions about how voting a 1 just for DNMC is completely asinine...
 12/05/2005 12:19:59 PM · #9
I've got 41 comments on my current free study entry.
Out of all of them 3 actually give me any insight into what I've "done wrong" what I could "do better" etc.
And the rest are mostly "LOL" or "good idea" etc.
I'm certainly not complaining, it's nice to have someone say they like your picture, but 90% of them aren't going to help me improve as a photographer.
 12/05/2005 12:21:45 PM · #10
see I try never to vote below a 5 but if i do vote below a 5 I make sure and leave a comment on why. even if its just dnmc. but I refuse to vote anything below a 3.. I just think it's not right.
 12/05/2005 12:22:53 PM · #11
A score of 5.xxx,???
...welcome to Mediocreville :-) , a land where comments come few and far between my friend!

Get a 4ish or (dare I say it?) lower, the photo will get more comments than you can shake a stick at pointing out that it is not at 640, oof, too dark, weak comp, etc. to help improve.

Get up in the 6's or (dare I say it?) higher, and you will be wading through the comments of praise and accolades and what the people like about it.

My opinion is, land in Mediocreville and this is comment enough. There is just not much to say, because it's, well, mediocre. Not bad, no big technical flaws. It just doesn't stand out and move people to want to say something about it. I think most people think it might be rude, or just not constructive or helpful to say things like, photo is ok, but just doesn't really do it for me. For me, no comments is about the same as getting a bunch of comments like this. It tells me I'm on the right track, but I need to work harder and step the photo up a notch.

It's difficult to comment on these photos. A lot of people when discussing their voting/commenting methods honestly say that they comment on their top picks and their lowest rated photos. But there are some intrepid souls that venture into Mediocreville and attempt to make some contsructive comments (and bless them) for it is known that the images that reside there get passed on the most.

...or anyways, something to that affect :-P
12/05/2005 12:25:14 PM · #12
Originally posted by taterbug:

Get a 4ish or (dare I say it?) lower, the photo will get more comments than you can shake a stick at pointing out that it is not at 640, oof, too dark, weak comp, etc. to help improve.


Hmm, where are all my comments then? :P
 12/05/2005 12:27:45 PM · #13
Originally posted by pidge:

Hmm, where are all my comments then? :P


...there's always someone out to debunk a theory !!!
:-P
12/05/2005 12:30:58 PM · #14
as Scalvert stats, the way people react is a comment in itself. If your photo is a 5 with no comments, the general voter is expressing to you :
*you have probably met the challenge
*your idea is probably obvious/ seen more than once in the challenge
*your image is acceptable but has no wow factor
*you have a minor, but apparentl flaw that should not need to be pointed out
An image in the 5's with a lot of comments (my adult entry for example) reads
*your idea is creative/original/controversial/ appealing but we are embarressed by your half ared exicuition.

A 5 is the hardest type of image to comment on. In a 6 you can state something you love, in a 4 something you need to improve. A 5 is a meh, and move on. Nothing grabs you (hense the 5) and there are other, more exciting images after one click.
It is really hard to lleave a comment like "your image is medicore" because such a statement is far more difficult to justify what i like or what needs improving comments.
 12/05/2005 12:37:29 PM · #15
I have been back contributing again after about three years off. I checked in from time to time but was just too tired from my other jobs to get into it.

What I have noticed since being back is..(in no particular order or meaning anything good or bad)

1) A LOT more paid members

2) More weekly challenges for paid members

3) A lot more entries in all the challenges

4) Takes a lot more time to try and to see all the entires

5) A lot of DSLR cameras versus point and shoots

6) A lot more people wanting to make a few bucks with photos

7) A lot of people here already making some money in the industry

8) A lot more people with big dollar photo editing equipment

There is just a lot of things that to me points to higher expectations on both sides (the photographer and the voter) and less time to really look at anything but the stuff that just jumps out.

But then, that may be just me :-/

Message edited by author 2005-12-05 12:38:17.
 12/05/2005 01:14:56 PM · #16
Originally posted by hollisterGq:
see I try never to vote below a 5 but if i do vote below a 5 I make sure and leave a comment on why. even if its just dnmc. but I refuse to vote anything below a 3.. I just think it's not right.

There is nothing "not right" about voting a 1 or a 2. If there was something wrong about low votes we would not be allowed to cast them. Voting a 1 on a picture that you think is terrible is no worse than voting a 10 on a picture that you think is excellent. The voting scale here at dpc is 1 thru 10. It would be more accurate for me to say that you are wrong not to use the whole scale than it is for you to say it's "not right" to vote a 1 or a 2.
12/05/2005 01:24:04 PM · #17
Originally posted by hollisterGq:
I think that you should set it up to where if someone votes below a 5 (since 5 would be mediocre) they must leave a comment explaining what they think was wrong. even if it's just "not my taste" it seems lately lots of people are getting random low votes with no explanation and maybe this would help out in some sort of way.


Change the voting scale to only allow 5-10 would have the exact same issue (only it will be about 5/6 instead). How about making people that score 5-10 leaving a comment since that is just the same range?

Originally posted by mk:
I think a better suggestion would be for people to stop complaining about comments in the forums and calling people out. Perhaps then people would be more willing ot share their thoughts.

Could not have said it better!
 12/05/2005 01:35:30 PM · #18
Originally posted by coolhar:
There is nothing "not right" about voting a 1 or a 2. If there was something wrong about low votes we would not be allowed to cast them. Voting a 1 on a picture that you think is terrible is no worse than voting a 10 on a picture that you think is excellent. The voting scale here at dpc is 1 thru 10. It would be more accurate for me to say that you are wrong not to use the whole scale than it is for you to say it's "not right" to vote a 1 or a 2.


Very well said :-)

As anyone can see, my average vote given is about a 4.6 or slightly below average. I hardly ever give out a 1, rarely a 2, sometimes a 3, a lot of 4's and 5's, a fair amount of 6's, a few sevens a hand full of 8's and to get a 9 or 10 from me you really hit me hard.

If I were to vote for me I would say I am a little above a 5 and only cause I like me :-P

My average vote received is about right..maybe a little higher than I would have voted me :-D The only reason I think I get better than avarage is I have been at this site long enough I sorta know how to avoid the big disaster..but not lately :-O

My favorite photo to date is



But only because of the time it took to put it together...I would give it maybe a 6 :-)
12/05/2005 01:54:04 PM · #19
Originally posted by hollisterGq:
I think that you should set it up to where if someone votes below a 5 (since 5 would be mediocre) they must leave a comment explaining what they think was wrong. even if it's just "not my taste" it seems lately lots of people are getting random low votes with no explanation and maybe this would help out in some sort of way.


Ya know, here you say that a comment saying "not my taste" would be fine with you. Just a few days ago I remember reading a thread dedicated to complaining that such comments are not helpful nor wanted by quite a few people. Perhaps if so much time was not spent complaining about the "helpfulness" of the comments everyone receives, voters would be more inclined to leave a few. i gotta tell you, it irks me to no end to know that my letting the photographer know I appreciated his photo and the work put into it are not good enough for him/her. I am on a 28.8 kbps dial-up connection and it takes forever to vote, let alone comment on challenges, but I do it. To have my efffort go unappreciated because I didn't find anything technically wrong with your photo, but it moved me enough to take the extra few minutes (and I mean few minutes on my connection) to tell you I thought it was great really bothers me. Why did I just waste the last couple of hours voting on all the free study entries and commenting on 50 of them (thus far) to have many of those comments go unappreciated? Now, if you get to the end of the challenge and your entry bombed and you want to know why, how about just posting a thread asking for comments. There are several going right now. I know when I see those I will go look. If I have something to add, I will leave a comment for you. If I think the comments you are getting sum up how I feel, I usually don't add anything. The point is, there are ways to get the feedback you want after the voting is over without starting another thread complaining about the lack of comments or the lack of value the ones you are getting have to you.

Jen
 12/05/2005 02:05:58 PM · #20
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
I've got 41 comments on my current free study entry.
Out of all of them 3 actually give me any insight into what I've "done wrong" what I could "do better" etc.
And the rest are mostly "LOL" or "good idea" etc.
I'm certainly not complaining, it's nice to have someone say they like your picture, but 90% of them aren't going to help me improve as a photographer.


Consider yourself lucky... I've got 3 comments total on my Free Study Entry.

I'm not complaining... as someone else has already said: If you want comments take a picture that elicits a reaction from people and they will share it.

Also note that commenting is the last thing I do before a challenge ends. It usually takes me the better part of a week to get all my voting done, and then I'll make comments as time allows. Does the fact that I don't have Internet access from work make my vote less valid because I don't have time to explain it?
 12/05/2005 02:13:01 PM · #21
What about not letting people vote on the challenges they have entered? I think this is very practical, and is the rule of thumb for all major photo competitions.
 12/05/2005 02:22:38 PM · #22
I would never vote. Challenges are big enough and plentyful enough that I can't keep up with all of them. So I follow the ones that I participate in. I vote on those and comment some. I don't think my score in the challenge influences my vote on other images, so I don't think that's an issue (at least for my votes).

I would suggest let people vote and comment on the challenges they want and in the way they see as the right way. With the number of votes we are getting for each challenge, it all comes out in the wash ... some people use the whole scale, some use just the top part, some just the bottom part.
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
What about not letting people vote on the challenges they have entered? I think this is very practical, and is the rule of thumb for all major photo competitions.
12/05/2005 02:40:56 PM · #23
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
What about not letting people vote on the challenges they have entered? I think this is very practical, and is the rule of thumb for all major photo competitions.


There are 514 entries in Free Study and, with 36 hours to go, my entry has 219 votes. Of that number you can be SURE that a significant percentage of the voters also entered the challenge. Not allowing us to vote on challenges we have entered would decimate the voter base. There are not all that many really active players in DPC, I don't think.

I'd be more interested, frankly, in making it so if you DIDN'T vote say, 50% of the entries in a challenge you had entered, your entry would be removed when voting ended. I believe we have a significant number of people in DPC who don't do anything but enter, and rarely vote at all. IMO, these people are basically leeches on the body of DPC ;-)

R.
 12/05/2005 03:05:31 PM · #24
Originally posted by bear_music:
I'd be more interested, frankly, in making it so if you DIDN'T vote say, 50% of the entries in a challenge you had entered, your entry would be removed when voting ended. I believe we have a significant number of people in DPC who don't do anything but enter, and rarely vote at all. IMO, these people are basically leeches on the body of DPC ;-)

R.


Interesting perspective, I guess for me I like the voting part, gives me idea's, and helps me improve myself. I find it better able tell me what I think is a good photo for the challenge vs what the final outcome is. I do try and comment if I find something I feel will help. But I guess to each their own, personally if your just going to enter a challenge and never vote, your kinda missing out half the fun:)
 12/05/2005 03:57:12 PM · #25
Originally posted by bear_music:

I'd be more interested, frankly, in making it so if you DIDN'T vote say, 50% of the entries in a challenge you had entered, your entry would be removed when voting ended. I believe we have a significant number of people in DPC who don't do anything but enter, and rarely vote at all. IMO, these people are basically leeches on the body of DPC ;-)

R.


Seconded!
If we were only allowed to vote on those we did not enter, i would be one of those leeches, because frankly, i found the subject of the challenge so boring i didn't want to enter it why in the heck would i want to lookj at 200 images of something i found so unappealing.
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