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11/13/2005 01:33:58 PM · #1 |
After voting on the Landscape II challenge a serious question is on my mind - are the great pictures of Cityscapes in this challenge really considered Landscapes?
To my mind a landscape is a picture or painting of mostly land with maybe a cabin or a couple of buildings but not a picture of a large bustling city.
If the challenge was called "Cityscape" and someone entered a picture of horses in a field with a barn in the background it would be voted very low yet for some people who live in rural places this is what their "city" looks like.
Just wondering what other people thought. Even some of the fabulous Seascapes in this challenge have me wondering what exactly is a LANDscape. |
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11/13/2005 01:41:03 PM · #2 |
Landscape encompasses cityscape, seascape, wide angle, telephoto, day, night, etcetera. Landscape photography, IMO, is not limited to natural settings.
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11/13/2005 01:42:45 PM · #3 |
| A cityscape is a landscape, though the opposite is not always true. |
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11/13/2005 02:02:33 PM · #4 |
Here's an interesting article from PhotographyTips.com
Landscape photography
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11/13/2005 02:02:42 PM · #5 |
| We once had an "Urban Landscape" challenge here... it would seem to me that those would be contradictory terms if a cityscape wasn't actually a landscape. |
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11/13/2005 02:20:32 PM · #6 |
When you upload a pic into a gallery here at DPC(or anywhere else for that matter) there is a choice for landscape or cityscape. If they are considered to be one in the same, then why would there be a need for two catagories? To separate the buildings from the trees?
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11/13/2005 02:36:39 PM · #7 |
All squares are rectangles...not all rectangles are squares.
A cityscape section would be purely for squares. It's an easy way to make the Landscape section, which may be huge, a little more manageable. |
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11/13/2005 02:37:48 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by dsmeth:
When you upload a pic into a gallery here at DPC(or anywhere else for that matter) there is a choice for landscape or cityscape. If they are considered to be one in the same, then why would there be a need for two catagories? |
They also have categories for Portraiture and for Family. Does that make it impossible to have a family portrait? |
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11/13/2005 03:39:25 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
All squares are rectangles...not all rectangles are squares.
A cityscape section would be purely for squares. It's an easy way to make the Landscape section, which may be huge, a little more manageable. |
I completely understand that way of thinking... Thanks for putting so succinctly (at least for me). :-) |
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11/13/2005 03:44:41 PM · #10 |
Note the word "land" in landscape. Note the addition necessary for the word "urban landscape" or "cityscape". It is to differentiate between a landscape or natural photo and an skyline/city photo. Landscape is natural by etymology and common sense.
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11/13/2005 03:57:59 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Cutter:
Note the word "land" in landscape. Note the addition necessary for the word "urban landscape" or "cityscape". It is to differentiate between a landscape or natural photo and an skyline/city photo. Landscape is natural by etymology and common sense. |
Is not a city built on land? Common sense? If an urban landscape was not in fact also a landscape would not the term be an oxymoron? If the council wanted strictly farm, mountain or pastoral scenes I think the term rural landscape would have been in order.
Message edited by author 2005-11-13 15:58:43. |
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11/13/2005 04:00:53 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Cutter:
Landscape is natural by etymology and common sense. |
And is the modern farm any more natural then a city? |
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11/13/2005 04:11:58 PM · #13 |
| cityscape is a landscape. period. |
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11/13/2005 04:18:53 PM · #14 |
I disagree. When you think of great landscape images of the past, not one city shot come shot mind.
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11/13/2005 04:20:15 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
I disagree. When you think of great landscape images of the past, not one city shot come shot mind. |
No. When you think... |
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11/13/2005 04:26:54 PM · #16 |
land·scape (lndskp)
n.
1. An expanse of scenery that can be seen in a single view.
2. A picture depicting an expanse of scenery.
4. The aspect of the land characteristic of a particular region |
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11/13/2005 04:28:00 PM · #17 |
Cityscape, moonscape, seascape are sub-divisions of Landscape. Tho in a landscape challenge I would have thought they would have been the accepted idea of a landscape or else why bother with challenges using this title? If there was a cityscape challenge would a sea view be within challenge brief?
Seems like the challenge title and description don't count anymore as long as enough people discuss it in a thread.
This is one of the reasons I don't bother with entering challenge much now. It's becoming a free study you can shoe horn into a challenge. Anyone want to buy my gear??
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11/13/2005 04:34:22 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
If there was a cityscape challenge would a sea view be within challenge brief?
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If a city was in part of the seascape then why not? If you lived in downtown Manhatten would not an expanse of scenery before you be your only landscape? The inclusion of buildings into a scene does not by itself negate it from being a landscape. As I said before if a pastoral scene was what was expected then it should have been specified. |
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11/13/2005 04:40:04 PM · #19 |
| And by the same resoning I see more then a few images that are indeed natural that in no way could be considered landscapes. A landscape should present a vista, not a study. |
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11/13/2005 04:41:53 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by Formerlee:
If there was a cityscape challenge would a sea view be within challenge brief?
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If a city was in part of the seascape then why not? If you lived in downtown Manhatten would not an expanse of scenery before you be your only landscape? The inclusion of buildings into a scene does not by itself negate it from being a landscape. As I said before if a pastoral scene was what was expected then it should have been specified. |
Exactly...so interpret as you will. This happens every challenge, the description is dissected until it fits. I guess whatever you think fits goes. I just feel sorry for all the people who adhere to a challenge brief and don't score well due to 'out of the box' entries. Guess its time to move on.
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11/13/2005 04:47:34 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
Exactly...so interpret as you will. This happens every challenge, the description is dissected until it fits. |
No. The definition of the word is correctly interpreted so that the narrow definition that a few people had locked in thier brains is expanded to the real world meaning.
Message edited by author 2005-11-13 16:48:37. |
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11/13/2005 04:49:49 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by Formerlee:
Exactly...so interpret as you will. This happens every challenge, the description is dissected until it fits. |
No. The definition of the word is correctly interpreted so that the narrow definition that a few people had locked in thier brains is expanded to the real world meaning. |
Yeah okay! Can't be bothered to argue the toss.
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11/13/2005 04:55:48 PM · #23 |
| The definition I use for "landscape" is "natural inland scenery." Thus anything that prominently features an ocean or a bay or coastal scenery, or a predominance of man-made structures, is pushing the limits of what's on topic for the challenge. The best way to meet the challenge here (IMO) is to have a traditional landscape shot of natural inland scenery. Some pictures that do not meet this rigid description still deserve high votes in my book, being not only good photographs but close enough to the challenge description (literally and in mood) that I do not mark them down for having more than trees, grass, and sky. |
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11/13/2005 05:08:59 PM · #24 |
Through my experience and reading, I've come to think of landscape photography as photography of the natural world, generally done at a wide angle (or at least showing an expanse of land, even if your zoomed way in). Seascapes are fine with me, the ocean is part of the natural earth, and I don't mind buildings or people as long as the photo is showing how they fit into a natural landscape, but generally city skylines and images of other urban/manmade things that don't include much of nature don't really strike me as landscapes.
That said, since I know a number of people do consider them landscapes, I've only been marking them down a little bit, not the full cut I would normally give something that doesn't meet the challenge. The things that have gotten my full "does not meet the challenge" penalty are the macros of flowers and similar things that don't show any expanse of land. As much as I try (I always feel bad giving low scores) I just can't talk myself into thinking these are landscapes, even if they are natural.
Message edited by author 2005-11-13 17:10:14. |
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11/13/2005 05:13:16 PM · #25 |
I go to the "Nottingham Outlaws Photographoc Society" and we had a compatition a few weeks back with a theme of Landscapes.
There were varius prints and slides submitted, some were pure landscapes but there were a few which had a lot of buildings on and they were thown out by the judge because he thought they did not constitute a landscape.
As kirbic has already said ... Landscape encompasses cityscape, seascape, wide angle, telephoto, day, night, .
There was another print that had a white house with the road leading in from the bottom left corner to the house and also many trees of a forest. - the judge threw this one out because there was too many trees in it.
There were a few unhappy members that night.
I agree with kirbic.
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