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Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

09/22/2005 10:41:46 PM · #1

Anyone know anything about this?

Adobe Photoshop CS2 V 9.0
Retail Price: $599.00
We Offer For: $69.95
You Save: $530.00

website here

Its a download only and comes with no technical support. Is it legal?
Is it even real?

Faye

digitalpins

Canon EOS-60D

09/22/2005 10:45:42 PM · #2

ha ha I would email that too adobe. Its gotta be illegal or a scam.

orussell

Canon EOS Rebel T6s

Canon EF 55-200mm f/4.5-5.6 II USM

09/22/2005 10:51:01 PM · #3

Check this out. It's been in threads here - you may have already seen it. //store.adobe.com/store/products/master.jhtml?id=catCanon I got mine today. It was on back order. With the Rebel you qualify.

faidoi

Pentax K10D

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

09/22/2005 10:54:33 PM · #4

Originally posted by orussell:

Check this out. It's been in threads here - you may have already seen it. //store.adobe.com/store/products/master.jhtml?id=catCanon I got mine today. It was on back order. With the Rebel you qualify.

You qualify by owning a Wacom Tablet too.

Faye Pekas

Canon EOS-20D

09/22/2005 11:06:57 PM · #5

Originally posted by faidoi:

Originally posted by orussell:
Check this out. It's been in threads here - you may have already seen it. //store.adobe.com/store/products/master.jhtml?id=catCanon I got mine today. It was on back order. With the Rebel you qualify.

You qualify by owning a Wacom Tablet too.

I have a Rebel and a Wacom Tablet, but I would rather get CS2 for $69.95 than $299 :)

ibkc

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

09/22/2005 11:17:18 PM · #6

This is gotta be a hoax! Who would charge $70 for something you can download for free with a serial number off file sharing programs?! Just kidding...

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

09/22/2005 11:22:23 PM · #7

Originally posted by fayepek:

I have a Rebel and a Wacom Tablet, but I would rather get CS2 for $69.95 than $299 :)

Even if it's stolen, and comes without tech support? Even if it doesn't work, and the "vendor" charges a bunch of other stuff to your credit card, too, or just takes out another card in your name and charges a bunch of stuff to it?

Faye Pekas

Canon EOS-20D

09/22/2005 11:30:23 PM · #8

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by fayepek:
I have a Rebel and a Wacom Tablet, but I would rather get CS2 for $69.95 than $299 :)

Even if it's stolen, and comes without tech support? Even if it doesn't work, and the "vendor" charges a bunch of other stuff to your credit card, too, or just takes out another card in your name and charges a bunch of stuff to it?

Nope.. thats why I was wondering if it was legit. Well I would take it without tech support for that price.. I was hoping someone would tell me it was safe and legit lol.. you know.. like I could finally get something for (almost) nothing :)

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

09/22/2005 11:37:00 PM · #9

There've been some other threads about this lately. I believe the consensus is that it's a scam -- pirated software. Either use your coupons or, if you are a student, see how much the "educational" version costs -- it's often less than half the retail price.

BrennanOB

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX Aspherical DF for Canon

09/22/2005 11:54:40 PM · #10

This is pirated software witout a doubt. You may think WTF, it is a great deal and I can't afford the bloated price Adobe wants. Remember to get the stolen illegal goods you will be giving your credit card information to people you know to be theives. What might it cost you later?

hankk

Canon EOS-5D

09/23/2005 10:28:47 AM · #11

The Terms and Conditions on thier web page includes:

2. Basic Conditions of Purchasing at Downloadable Software online store
2.1. You are informed that the software is in English language only unless noted differently on the site or by the Support representative;
2.2. You will thoroughly follow the downloading and installation instructions on your account;
2.3. You cannot register the software with the manufacturer and updates are available not for all the products;
2.4. You do not receive printed license documentation;
2.5. You do not receive a copy of the software on a disk.
2.6. The Store will assist the Customer with downloading and installation issues. We will not provide technical support after the software product is downloaded and installed; neither will it be available from the manufacturer of the software product.

These indicate that the software is pirated. You may also have to run some sort of key generation program. And you may install more programs than you intend (e.g. viruses, keystroke loggers, etc).

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/23/2005 11:35:15 AM · #12

Brooklyn Bridge: $32.00
Beach Front Property in the Gulf: $6.00 an acre
Adobe Fotoshop CS: $69.00
Having your credit card number abused to purchase drugs and weapons for the Russian Mafia: Priceless.

Message edited by author 2005-09-23 11:35:34.

Spork99

Canon EOS M6 Mk II

Canon EF-M 22mm STM Lens

09/23/2005 12:11:47 PM · #13

Originally posted by kpriest:

Having your credit card number abused to purchase drugs and weapons for the Russian Mafia: Priceless.

As opposed to you using your credit card for that in the first place...

09/23/2005 12:25:06 PM · #14

Here's another. I actually talked to these people once. Also your transaction is thru Stormpay or Paypal and not directly with them. That made me feel a little better. I still never bought anything from them yet, but considering it.

How can you offer at such low prices?
When you order a program from us you only receive the full version program (downloaded only), you will NOT receive CD, manuals, boxes, expensive tech support ,etc and no packing or shipping cost. These shaves off majority of the cost. Besides, there is no physcial store needed to setup, this saves huge costs. Additionally, only popular softwares are placed on sale. This resulted in better 'return-on-investment' for our advertising dollars. Thus, eventually reducing our overall overhead cost.//firstpickstore.com/

Message edited by author 2005-09-23 12:30:04.

EddyG

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/23/2005 12:30:25 PM · #15

Repeat after me...

There is no such thing as a legitimate downloadable version of Photoshop "without tech support" or "without product registration".

There is no such thing as an OEM version of Photoshop later than Photoshop 5.

If you can't register the product with Adobe with the provided serial number and use it to upgrade to the next released version, it is not legitimate.

Anybody claiming otherwise is lieing and you are buying pirated software. Simple as that.

09/23/2005 12:47:20 PM · #16

Originally posted by EddyG:

Repeat after me...

If you can't register the product with Adobe with the provided serial number and use it to upgrade to the next released version, it is not legitimate.

Anybody claiming otherwise is lieing and you are buying pirated software. Simple as that.

They are quite open about telling you that you cant register it or get support.

All titles DO NOT qualify for registration or tech support(from its respective manufacturer) with the provided serial number. The serial number is provided for installation and update purposes only. If you do not need technical support for your software, you will not need to register your software anyway. If you want to register your product, you will need to buy the retail product at full price.

Also here is section 117 of the US Copyright Laws:

§ 117. Limitations on exclusive rights: Computer programs

Release date: 2005-08-01

(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy.� Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:
(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner, or
(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.
(b) Lease, Sale, or Other Transfer of Additional Copy or Adaptation.� Any exact copies prepared in accordance with the provisions of this section may be leased, sold, or otherwise transferred, along with the copy from which such copies were prepared, only as part of the lease, sale, or other transfer of all rights in the program. Adaptations so prepared may be transferred only with the authorization of the copyright owner.

EddyG

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/23/2005 12:49:38 PM · #17

So what part of "it's pirated software" do you not understand?

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

09/23/2005 01:06:29 PM · #18

Originally posted by dsmeth:

(b) Lease, Sale, or Other Transfer of Additional Copy or Adaptation.� Any exact copies prepared in accordance with the provisions of this section may be leased, sold, or otherwise transferred, along with the copy from which such copies were prepared, only as part of the lease, sale, or other transfer of all rights in the program. Adaptations so prepared may be transferred only with the authorization of the copyright owner.

Think they're selling you their only copy?

09/23/2005 01:11:18 PM · #19

Originally posted by EddyG:

So what part of "it's pirated software" do you not understand?

I always love a good debate. What makes it Piracy? Adobe thought that to once, went to court and lost. This is why you are seeing all the websites selling archived copies of software.

SoftMan Products Co. v. Adobe Systems Inc. was a lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California in 2001.

Adobe Systems contended in a counterclaim that the original plaintiff, SoftMan, infringed its copyright and violating the terms of Adobe's licenses by selling as individual units the software titles that were purchased from Adobe as a single boxed "Collection". The individual titles had their own CDsA compact disc (or CD) is an optical disc used to store digital data, originally developed for storing digital audio. A standard compact disc, often known as an audio CD to differentiate it from later variants, stores audio data in a format compliant with the red book standard. An audio CD consists of several tracks stored using 16-bit PCM coding at a sampling rate of 44.1 kHz. Most compact discs are 120 mm in diameter, which can store up to 74 minutes of audio....
[click for more].

Under the first-sale doctrineThe first-sale doctrine is an exception to copyright codified in the US Copyright Act, section 109. The doctrine of first sale allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e. sell, rent, or give away) a particular, legally acquired copy of protected work without permission once it has been obtained. That means the distribution rights of a copyright holder end on that particular copy once the copy is sold....
[click for more] it is debatably legal to resell software; Adobe tried to maintain that SoftMan had not purchased any software but only a license (the EULAA software license is a type of proprietary or gratuitous license as well as a memorandum of contract between a producer and a user of computer software � sometimes called an End User License Agreement (EULA) � that specifies the perimeters of the permission granted by the owner to the user....
[click for more]) which prohibits, among many things, reselling of their software. The Court decided that because of "the circumstances surrounding the transaction" that Softman actually had bought a copy of the software, not just a license as Adobe maintained, because as far as the purchaser is concerned the license is very similar to owning a copy in that it is paid for once for perpetual use of the software. The Court also found that SoftMan had not infringed on the EULA (even if it had been upheld) because SoftMan had never run the program. The EULA was only presented when the program was to be installed, it was not present on the packaging or as printed material

Definition or Pirated Software:
Copyright infringement is the unauthorized use of copyrighted material in a manner that violates one of the copyright owner's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works that build upon it.

EddyG

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/23/2005 01:16:11 PM · #20

Originally posted by dsmeth:

I always love a good debate.

I am not going to engage you in any further discussion in this matter. Obviously you have justified it to yourself that it is OK to pay someobdy for a CD-R copy of commercial software and a whored serial number. The circumstances of your quoted "court case" are totally irrelevant to this discussion. That case involved somebody legitimately buying a "suite" of products and then selling off the original programs that made up the "suite" individually.

Message edited by author 2005-09-23 13:18:36.

David.C

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

09/23/2005 01:21:38 PM · #21

Adobe's response.

The article it links at PhotoShopNews is fairly interesting as well.

David

Message edited by author 2005-09-23 13:22:47.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

09/23/2005 01:30:19 PM · #22

I didn't make the decision. The courts in this country did. If you disagree with it , call your congressman.

Under the first-sale doctrine: The first-sale doctrine is an exception to copyright codified in the US Copyright Act, section 109. The doctrine of first sale allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e. sell, rent, or give away) a particular, legally acquired copy of protected work without permission once it has been obtained. That means the distribution rights of a copyright holder end on that particular copy once the copy is sold.

David.C

09/23/2005 02:01:08 PM · #23

Originally posted by dsmeth:

As has been pointed out to you, this has absolutely nothing to do with pirated software -- or even the 'selling of backups'. This only applies when the original, legally purchased copy (ie. the original CD) changes ownership.

Originally posted by dsmeth:

Definition or Pirated Software:
Copyright infringement is the unauthorized use of copyrighted material in a manner that violates one of the copyright owner's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works that build upon it.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I believe this is where your confusion sets in. The manufacturer (Adobe in this discussion) does not lose it's IP when it sells a single copy of it's software. The person buying that single copy has the right to resell that copy -- and only that copy -- it does not grant the right to usurp the manufacture's right to dictate method of distribution. They do not gain the right to manufacture further copies from the single purchased copy -- and they lose all rights they may have to it once ownership is transfered. This is the same as the manufacture's loss of rights -- to that copy -- with the exception the manufacture still has the right to make and distribute more.

David

Message edited by author 2005-09-23 14:01:23.

cornettcag

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Tamron AF 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di II for Canon

09/23/2005 02:31:15 PM · #24

So... I didn't get Photoshop with my Canon Rebel XT. I was supposed to... How do I get it?