commenters, camera owners, and votes.

Sony DT 11-18mm f/4.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Super Wide Angle Zoom

09/14/2005 02:23:09 AM · #1

I just wanted to share the interesting results of my branch challenge photo. It received a 5.395 (below my average) and 124th place yet the average vote per commenter is 7.526 (higher than my highest overall average) and the average vote for people with no camera is 7.0000. Does this just mean that only a few people are voting without cameras or do my artistic tastes coincide more closely with the cameraless? I'm not upset with my score at all, although I expected it to at least make the mid-five range, I am just simply astonished by these discrepancies.

faidoi

Pentax K10D

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

09/14/2005 02:27:08 AM · #2

The cameraless may be a more accurate gauge how people react to your shot as they don't have anything to gain when scoring a picture.

frumoaznicul

Canon EOS-20D

09/14/2005 02:31:49 AM · #3

It wasn't an open challenge so I aint got "no camera" ones, but check this out:
Avg (commenters): 9.417
Avg (camera): 6.462

amber

09/14/2005 02:32:36 AM · #4

I think there are only a few voters with no camera.

Sony DT 11-18mm f/4.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Super Wide Angle Zoom

09/14/2005 02:34:08 AM · #5

Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

It wasn't an open challenge so I aint got "no camera" ones, but check this out:
Avg (commenters): 9.417
Avg (camera): 6.462

Wow. That's quite a score. Glad to be one of the commenters that gave that a 10. Still one of my favorite photos on the site.

Message edited by author 2005-09-14 02:34:26.

frumoaznicul

Canon EOS-20D

09/14/2005 02:56:53 AM · #6

Originally posted by JPR:

Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

It wasn't an open challenge so I aint got "no camera" ones, but check this out:
Avg (commenters): 9.417
Avg (camera): 6.462

Wow. That's quite a score. Glad to be one of the commenters that gave that a 10. Still one of my favorite photos on the site.

Thanks :))

Sony DT 11-18mm f/4.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Super Wide Angle Zoom

09/14/2005 06:35:29 PM · #7

Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

Originally posted by JPR:

Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

It wasn't an open challenge so I aint got "no camera" ones, but check this out:
Avg (commenters): 9.417
Avg (camera): 6.462

Wow. That's quite a score. Glad to be one of the commenters that gave that a 10. Still one of my favorite photos on the site.

Thanks :))

you are welcome

Tranquil

Sigma 105mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro for Canon

09/14/2005 07:05:50 PM · #8

Gave ya a 10 Jason. Shot might be just beyond our viewers here at DPC.

Oh, and you should mark my comment as helpful ;)

Message edited by author 2005-09-14 19:06:04.

bcoble

Olympus E-300 EVOLT

Olympus 14-45mm f/3.5-5.6 Zuiko Digital ED

09/14/2005 07:24:20 PM · #9

One of my entries also has a dramatic difference from who voted.

Statistics Voting Breakdown (your vote is highlighted in red)
Place: 87 out of 227
Avg (all users): 5.160
Avg (commenters): 8.500
Avg (camera): 5.157
Avg (no camera): 5.500
Views since voting: 48
Views during voting: 398
Votes: 301
Comments: 8
Favorites: 1 (view)

Dr.Confuser

Nikon D800

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

09/14/2005 07:31:40 PM · #10

Originally posted by bcoble:

One of my entries also has a dramatic difference from who voted.

Statistics Voting Breakdown (your vote is highlighted in red)
Place: 87 out of 227
Avg (all users): 5.160
Avg (commenters): 8.500
Avg (camera): 5.157
Avg (no camera): 5.500
Views since voting: 48
Views during voting: 398
Votes: 301
Comments: 8
Favorites: 1 (view)

The solution is obvious: Get more comments!

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

09/14/2005 07:42:12 PM · #11

Here is mine. I want to thank everyone that voted and commented but you can see a big difference between no camera and camera votes. But I don't know how many votes came from users without cameras. It may have only been 5 votes (thats the lowest common multiplier that would give me a 4.800 vote average. 4.8 x 5 = 24).
And for the record I believe I received an appropriate score. I'm not complaining.
Again Thanks everyone,
-SDW

Place: 61 out of 427
Avg (all users): 5.769
Avg (commenters): 5.778
Avg (camera): 5.786
Avg (no camera): 4.800
Views since voting: 16
Views during voting: 409
Votes: 290
Comments: 19
Favorites: 2 (view)

GinaRothfels

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

09/14/2005 08:27:36 PM · #12

This one also had fairly big variations between commenters, camera owners and non-owners, but what interested me most was the variations in the comments - seemed a bit of a love-hate relationship going on here! It's not often that I get 8 10's and never with such a low final score.

markmulkerin

Fujifilm XF 23mm f/2 R WR

09/14/2005 08:58:42 PM · #13

While I agree that there is a self-interest as a camera owner to rate photos less generously and do better by comparision, I'd add that camera owners probably factor in shot difficulty, technical execution, and how a particular photo was "made". I look at your photo and understand that part of the effect you arrive at appears to be through cranking up the saturation level so from a technical standpoint, I'm not blown away. Aesthetically, the photo more interesting so I'd expect non-camera owners to rate it higher if they don't consider the technical merits as much.

On the flipside, I'd also say that there have been photos that I've rated higher on technical grounds (how the heck did they manage that??) than I'd expect someone approaching it from a strictly aesthetic approach would.

Is this right or wrong? I'm also an amateur magician and how I would rank other magicians would be quite different from how non-magicians would, but then I know the tricks. Fair? Beats me.

aznym

Fujifilm X-T3

09/14/2005 09:03:08 PM · #14

My last entry ..

Avg (all users): 5.765
Avg (commenters): 7.357
Avg (camera): 5.781
Avg (no camera): 2.000

Sony DT 11-18mm f/4.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Super Wide Angle Zoom

09/15/2005 12:24:02 AM · #15

crap a 2!

I generally find the without camera scores to be significantly lower.

Joey Lawrence

PhaseOne P45

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

09/15/2005 12:26:46 AM · #16

Originally posted by Tranquil:

Oh, and you should mark my comment as helpful ;)

I think you should mark all of my 50,000 comments helpful :-)

Great picture JP, I left you a 'convincing' comment...

Sony DT 11-18mm f/4.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Super Wide Angle Zoom

09/15/2005 12:39:52 AM · #17

Thanks guys, I just went back and marked all my comments helpful (except for all of yours Joey ;) I tend to forget about that as I never bother to check if any of mine were helpful. When I get comments from other people I usually just go check out some of their stuff and try to return the comment favor.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

09/15/2005 01:06:46 AM · #18

Originally posted by JPR:

Every day I go to "My Profile" and check the summary on the left. I click on "view" next to "comments received" and then read every comment I have not already clicked as "helpful". This keeps me on top of all comments received. I pretty much always click the comment as helpful when I'm done. It's like a form of record-keeping. Some are a lot more helpful than others, but I appreciate all of them.

Robt.

brianlh

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

09/15/2005 01:16:22 AM · #19

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's seemed to me that most images generally get a higher average vote from commentors (except maybe those at the very bottom of the pile). This is because people typically leave more positive comments than negative ones. If someone likes or loves your photo, they're generally much more likely to leave a comment than if they think it's worth a 3 or 4.

frumoaznicul

Canon EOS-20D

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

09/15/2005 02:10:20 AM · #20

Originally posted by brianlh:

Sadly yes. I'd prefere to get more comments in the 1,2,3,4 area.

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

09/15/2005 02:19:00 AM · #21

Originally posted by brianlh:

Indeed... I'd have a BUNCH of ribbons if I could bank the average vote by commenters. Assuming nobody else got the same privilege, of course :-)

Incidentally, not all no-camera voters are non-photographers; I have seen any number of members go over to no-camera status temporarily for whatever reason. BradP comes to mind, recently, when he sold his Oly and hadn't logged a replacement. Someone else, I forget who, went no-camera when s/he decided to stop participating in challenges.

Robt.

Mustardhead

Nikon D800E

Nikon MF Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/2.8 AIS

09/15/2005 07:19:53 AM · #22

Originally posted by bear_music:

Incidentally, not all no-camera voters are non-photographers; I have seen any number of members go over to no-camera status temporarily for whatever reason. BradP comes to mind, recently, when he sold his Oly and hadn't logged a replacement. Someone else, I forget who, went no-camera when s/he decided to stop participating in challenges.
Robt.

I haven't participated in any challenges and for what it is worth I might as well delete my "toy" camera from my profile. The vast majority of my photography is done using 35mm film, a little on medium format and the rest is with my digital compact or scanner.

As my average vote is somewhere around 5.7, should I delete my camera to increase the "without camera" average, even if only a little? ;)

Roger

markmulkerin