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08/15/2005 04:16:23 PM · #1
OK, had an idea for illusions, wasn't sure if I could pull it off very well but went ahead anyway... tried to take a picture that illustrated some flowers in the rain, but included the 'secret' behind the illusion..



I figured I might get DQed.. I certainly got a nice range of comments. I'm interested, post-challenge whether people think this entry is..

a) Within the rules
b) In the spirit of the site
c) Much cleverer since they took a second look :-) (kiddin')

All feedback gratefully received, but this thread is really just for fun...

Chris


08/15/2005 04:21:34 PM · #2
a. Apparently : )
b. I think so
c. I thought it was clever eboungh the first time
08/15/2005 04:22:32 PM · #3
I thought this would be DQ'd as well for the border - it could be considered as adding a major element. I looked at it for awhile during voting and I thought that if it wasn't found to be illegal, it was a very unique and dare I say, out-of-the-box, approach to the challenge and I gave it an 8.

Congrats for not getting DQ'd. ;-)
08/15/2005 04:27:03 PM · #4
i didn't get to vote, but would have scored this a 5 simply for not spell-checking the title...

j/k...nice shot, clever entry.
08/15/2005 04:34:11 PM · #5
You know I hat it went I don't stop yto spell checken my titl...
(I would have voted me down also! :-) )

08/15/2005 04:39:17 PM · #6
I have to say that I loved this during voting and I gave it a 10
08/15/2005 05:54:47 PM · #7
This is where the rules get very vague and a full vote from the SC is a must. Personally I love the photograph but I felt the inside border created a major element. Here is what I mean, how well would it of done if the border was not there.
08/15/2005 05:59:05 PM · #8
This one, posted in forums prior to challenge, gave it away for me personally. The idea was unique enough to be recognizable. ;^)


08/15/2005 06:40:25 PM · #9
I had no problem with it meeting the rules. I thought it was really clever.
08/15/2005 06:41:50 PM · #10
Originally posted by SDW65:

This is where the rules get very vague and a full vote from the SC is a must. Personally I love the photograph but I felt the inside border created a major element. Here is what I mean, how well would it of done if the border was not there.

Actually I think that works better, IMO.
08/15/2005 06:44:58 PM · #11
I'm in agreement with TooCool's comments posted during the voting...within the rules, guess so...within the spirit of the challenge, not so much.

TooCool really hit the nail on the head for me when he said the challenge description requests you photograph an illusion and does not ask that you create the illusion in post-processing.

(BTW, I don't think the SC was sleeping on this as there's solid precedent for unusual framing and you won't be dq'd for not meeting the challenge.)

Message edited by author 2005-08-15 18:45:28.
08/15/2005 06:50:20 PM · #12
Originally posted by KaDi:

TooCool really hit the nail on the head for me when he said the challenge description requests you photograph an illusion and does not ask that you create the illusion in post-processing.

I disagree. The "illusion" is "Rain" - the photograph just includes the "secret" to the illusion by showing the hose and the desat is used for emphasis. That's how I see it anyway.
08/15/2005 06:57:11 PM · #13
Originally posted by kpriest:

Originally posted by KaDi:

TooCool really hit the nail on the head for me when he said the challenge description requests you photograph an illusion and does not ask that you create the illusion in post-processing.

I disagree. The "illusion" is "Rain" - the photograph just includes the "secret" to the illusion by showing the hose and the desat is used for emphasis. That's how I see it anyway.


Well then, pretty weak "illusion" if you have to tell the audience what it is--sort of like when you explain a joke it just isn't funny.
08/15/2005 07:02:25 PM · #14
Originally posted by KaDi:

Well then, pretty weak "illusion" if you have to tell the audience what it is--sort of like when you explain a joke it just isn't funny.

I don't think the point was that he was trying to "explain" it, but rather a different spin on the challenge that's all. To each his own - I liked it - it didn't go over too well, so I am obviously in the minority. :)
08/15/2005 07:08:59 PM · #15
Originally posted by kpriest:

Originally posted by KaDi:

Well then, pretty weak "illusion" if you have to tell the audience what it is--sort of like when you explain a joke it just isn't funny.

I don't think the point was that he was trying to "explain" it, but rather a different spin on the challenge that's all. To each his own - I liked it - it didn't go over too well, so I am obviously in the minority. :)


To me, the fact that the hose handle is there equates to explanation. I didn't vote in this challenge but I did review the entries with interest. He did put a different spin on the challenge....but I still side with TC that this photo meets the challenge post-process. Strip away the frame and the selective desat and you have...?
08/15/2005 07:11:02 PM · #16
Originally posted by KaDi:

Strip away the frame and the selective desat and you have...?

You could say that about an awful lot of winning entries in past challenges. ;-)

(this is like our own little tennis match)
08/15/2005 07:13:15 PM · #17
Originally posted by kpriest:


You could say that about an awful lot of winning entries in past challenges. ;-)

True. That doesn't change my point though, does it?
Originally posted by kpriest:


(this is like our own little tennis match)

Ping! Your court!
08/15/2005 07:24:13 PM · #18
** Toss! **


Hey look, now I can go shoot my entry for Nude III !
08/16/2005 03:58:15 AM · #19
:-)

So controversial is the right title for this thread then... I'm always interested in experimenting and pushing the boundaries.. I mean, it's not life and death is it.

Thanks to all who took the time to comment.

Chris
08/16/2005 04:34:23 AM · #20
I liked the idea of the foreground seeming like rain and the background making it clear that the rain was just an illusion but I ABSOLUTELY didn't like the border within the image. Not one bit - it ruined the aesthetics of the image for me (so it may have made it more obvious how it fitted the challenge, though I thought it was pretty darn obvious anyways, but it spoiled the purely visual appeal completely, for ME).

08/16/2005 06:24:02 AM · #21
I would have given it a 4
08/16/2005 07:38:36 AM · #22
Didn't people tell you what they thought about it by how they voted?

First - you have a spelling error in your title. From that it gives me the impression that you don't even care enough about your entry to spell your title correctly. I found the processing very distracting and your revealing of the secret as you put it fails the illusion and to me, shows a lack of effort and creativity.

Message edited by author 2005-08-16 07:43:37.
08/16/2005 08:36:16 AM · #23
Actually, I thought it was quite clever and unique.

Without "revealing" the secret (not having the area outside the interior frame) the shot would have looked like rain on flowers in bright sunshine.

An illusion is great, but not if people don't know it's an illusion. The illusion needs to be evident and in a short manner when the voters are looking at the image for a few seconds at most. This is one of those times where the magician needed to reveal a bit of the magic (this holds true to all illusion entries for this challenge IMO). In other words, if the illusion is done right - how do you know it's an illusion?

Originally posted by Alienyst:

...your revealing of the secret as you put it fails the illusion and to me, shows a lack of effort and creativity.

08/16/2005 09:11:44 AM · #24
So if it didn't make a good "Illusions" shot, would it have scored better in "Rain". I like the picture.
08/16/2005 09:18:20 AM · #25
Originally posted by KaDi:

TooCool really hit the nail on the head for me when he said the challenge description requests you photograph an illusion and does not ask that you create the illusion in post-processing.

(BTW, I don't think the SC was sleeping on this as there's solid precedent for unusual framing and you won't be dq'd for not meeting the challenge.)


I agree with these observations.
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