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05/15/2003 08:14:05 AM · #1
Mr. Setzler was mentioning recently about not having enough time to
comment on all entries in the challenge... I completely sympathise, and
would like to take the opportunity to say thanks for the help he has
offered everyone.
However, I can't help but feel that is quite disconcerting receiving a not
so high mark without a comment. Am I alone in feeling that I would rather
not know if someone has given a lower mark if there is no construcive
feedback to go along with it?

Bob
05/15/2003 08:19:11 AM · #2
setz did mention that he'd explain his voting strategy in his profile.. that way once you get a score from him, you can lookup how he got to that score and hopefully place yourself in what range he considered your image.. what kind of flaws would have given that kind of mark, etc..
05/15/2003 08:35:25 AM · #3
I was hugely disappointed not to get an equals sign with his latest comment. Just a number this time. I feel ripped off. :p
05/15/2003 08:57:09 AM · #4
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05/15/2003 09:12:49 AM · #5
I would much rather get an occassional comment from Setz than just a number. He is so very helpful when he leaves a comment but I don't see how just giving everyone a number is going to be helpful in the futuring, knowing what the problem is or what makes it so great is what helps, knowing a number does little.
05/15/2003 09:18:15 AM · #6
he's still going to comment on as many member challenges as possible.. the open challenges just have too many entries for him to comment on many of them.. i'd rather get a number than nothing at all.. (since i can equate that number to whatever method he uses to vote on anyway.. i atleast know where my photo ranks for him)
05/15/2003 09:23:16 AM · #7
Most of the other threads where people talk about their voting strategies end up with someone (usually jmsetzler) saying whatever voting technique you use is fine, as long as it is consistent, and why are we talking about it...if you don't find a comment with a score only helpful, then don't mark it and move on...
05/15/2003 09:23:59 AM · #8
I`m happy i got an 8 from him this week.

As for his voting Strategy on his profile, looks like he`s not finished it yet.
05/15/2003 09:29:51 AM · #9
I too was surprised at this new technique, granted I did get a great number, I thought why bother unless there is a critique along with the number. I also got a number from paganini....is this catching on? It is a waste to just give a number. You might as well cut out the comment section.
05/15/2003 09:51:09 AM · #10
I think it is pointless..... they are called COMMENTS for a reason.... you use them to COMMENT.... if you are not going to use them to COMMENT then don't use them at all.... I think it is annoying and will give it the same regard that has been given to me.... I am new here, I don't know jmsetzler from the next person so am completely ambivalent about how good I should feel about getting a 'score' from him.
It won't be getting much time or consideration from me.
05/15/2003 09:53:36 AM · #11
I will not leave numbers on the photos anymore then... I will just comment with scores in the member challenge as time permits...
05/15/2003 10:06:04 AM · #12
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I will not leave numbers on the photos anymore then... I will just comment with scores in the member challenge as time permits...


The number works if you have a brief description of your scoring strategy in your profile. By putting your strategy in your profile helps with consistency as well especially after the 500th flower picture.

Thanks for trying.


05/15/2003 10:14:28 AM · #13
you know what's pointless? bs threads like this that serve no purpose and won't change anything. john is a leader on this site whether anyone likes it or not. he has been extremely successful here in terms of gaining respect from the vast majority of people. try not to be so quick to judge something that is only a couple days old. what he is trying to do is more than 99% of people on this site do. i think it's time people stopped being so critical of every little thing and try to enjoy the basic principles of this site and photography.
05/15/2003 10:44:58 AM · #14
I mean absolutely zero disrespect to jmsetzler..... I can see the level of respect that he has here and it is no doubt duely earned. And I certainly respect the fact that both his work and opinion are highly rated, but as you so rightly put it achiral 'he has been extremely successful here in terms of gaining respect'.... =X does not do that reputation justice in my opinion, no doubt as my work is commented on by people they will duely earn my respect, and I have no doubt that the day jmsetzler comments positively on one of my entries I will know that i am improving and be suitably pleased with myself. And hopefully as my time with this site goes by perhaps the odd person will come to value my opinion.
You are right, this thread is pointless..... but, as with every other thread in these forums, it wouldn't be here if people didn't have opinions on them.
05/15/2003 11:05:33 AM · #15
Everyone has every right to comment exactly as they please. I have gotten comments of "?" before. I am grateful the person took the time to wonder.

Don't complain about comments or we'll all start getting less of them.
05/15/2003 11:09:45 AM · #16
Less comments indeed :) I sorta thought giving some feedback was better than no feedback, hence i left 'scores' on photos that i did not comment on. I suppose the score without some sort of justification is not better than nothing.

I sometimes forget that not many people use the suggested rating scale when scoring photos. The suggested rating scale on DPC is 1=very bad and 10=very good. If I leave you a score somewhere within that range, it's a very simple 'rating' of your photo.

I won't continue doing that because an overwhelming majority of the people who have brought it up are against it....


05/15/2003 11:13:22 AM · #17
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I will not leave numbers on the photos anymore then... I will just comment with scores in the member challenge as time permits...

Originally posted by achiral:

try not to be so quick to judge something that is only a couple days old. what he is trying to do is more than 99% of people on this site do. i think it's time people stopped being so critical of every little thing and try to enjoy the basic principles of this site and photography.


Here, Here, John! You people don't understand the concept I guess. he has explained it before. He does NOT have the time to comment on everyones shots. Who does? His point is...the scores are anonymous. He wants you to know what he gave you. It is just the same as almost everyone else does by just clicking a number and moving on. But, he has the balls to let you know what he gave it.
Now is this week over? NO! I think I remember he said, if he had time, he would go back and comment on others. Which is what I do also, but I do not leave a number, and am not going to now, considering that people jump all over someone because of they way they choose to do something.
Thanks for everything John. Keep up the GREAT work!! I appreciate all you do here, even though you really don't have to. Thanks again


tracy
05/15/2003 11:19:05 AM · #18
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I won't continue doing that because an overwhelming majority of the people who have brought it up are against it....


Congradulations to the folks that have eliminated one more comment for us all. Keep up the good work. I hope you plan to take up the slack you've all caused by leaving insightful 25 word comments on every entry.
05/15/2003 11:37:44 AM · #19
Hey John,
Here is something even better! How about making the numbers equal a certain phrase/comment? ie: 1=DOF seems off, 2=Need tighter focus, 3=this just sucks, 4=why do you even try, 5=everyone is just going to complain about it anyway, etc.
Then, people can start another thread so that they can bitch that, "Now I have to go to someone's profile, and look up what a 0 1 4 7in the comments means."
Hey, this ain't half bad...I may have to start doing this. Get more profile hits! Hmmmmm..... (C:

tract
05/15/2003 11:43:40 AM · #20
Genuine apologies to John... if I may call you John... and I do mean genuine.... you can comment how you choose, I was offering one opinion and did not think it would cause such a fuss....
as a relative newbie I'm here to get my pics critiqued and to hopefully have some fun and learn more about my photographic capabilites... don't want to be rocking the boat or making enemies....
So if my comments have offended anyone, especially you John, I apologise.

Cheers,

Todd.
05/15/2003 11:44:09 AM · #21
Commenting has and always will be an issue on this sight. I think we all should put some effort into commenting. Don't expect more then 3 comments if your picture scores low. Usually you will get a good suggestion from those 3 comments. Why do you need more. Try to take a picture and critique it yourself before submiting it. Don't stop at one picture take 50 pictures. Use different angles and lighting. Really if you do all this you will get more comments. The harder you try on a photo the more comments you get. Try it!
05/15/2003 11:45:56 AM · #22
Considering that Setzler created a thread to notify everyone of his new strategy, I see nothing wrong with there being a thread to discuss it. He wanted to bring it up it...

For the mostpart, I feel the same way as other posters on this thread. It's somewhat disappointing to see that I've received another comment, only to find out that it's not really a comment at all. As someone said in a previous thread, it really makes no difference to me who is giving me what vote, unless they care to say why. I don't think it's cowardly for voting to remain anonymous.

myqyl, I'm just curious, but why do you value this sort of commenting so much? Would you feel the same if it were coming from someone "lesser known?"
05/15/2003 11:59:11 AM · #23
New Strategy based on this thread and the previous thread:

I will NOT leave any more number comments. I'll think up a new strategy for leaving feedback later.

I like commenting on photos... I wasn't leaving numbers simply because I didn't want to comment. I was leaving numbers because I wanted to leave feedback where I would have otherwise left nothing. Since I can't tell who does and does not want a single number feedback, I will stop doing it so no one gets offended.

I like leaving comments... some are long... some are short.. some are useful... some are not.

I don't really think this thread should continue beyond this point...

05/15/2003 12:02:14 PM · #24
Man you people like to complain about everything.

I am going back to my old rating method :)

If I like your photo you get a 8-10, if i don't 1-3. I'll throw in a few 5's to average it out. and the only comment i'm going to put is "I like it" or "I don't like it"
05/15/2003 12:03:36 PM · #25
Just a note:

John has said in chat that he usually comments on 35+ pics a week, plus does Critique Club comments. That plus voting on both challenges, taking pics for the new challenges, and taking time to work on photo's for himself, I think the guy does a lot to contribute.

I know there are others who do the same, and may not have the same lime light as he, but I know that ClubJuggle, mavrik and many more also do above their share of commenting. It is better to give then receive... are we all giving what we should?
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