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07/15/2005 11:24:12 AM · #1 |
please read comments
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07/15/2005 11:26:02 AM · #2 |
:( ... I'm gonna go cry now. And then I'm gonna go hug my dog.
Message edited by author 2005-07-15 11:26:20.
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07/15/2005 11:26:44 AM · #3 |
Why don't you agree with that practice? Are you a vegetarian (in which case I understand)?
But surely, if you eat cow, chicken, pig, lamb or any other mammal you must realize there is no difference?
Edit: Good photo...a few distracting elements but the dead dogs juxtaposed with the live ones creates an interesting element...perhaps getting a little lower and closer might have fixed this.
Message edited by author 2005-07-15 11:27:35. |
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07/15/2005 11:27:23 AM · #4 |
Good grief! That could make a vegetarian of anyone...
R.
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07/15/2005 11:27:47 AM · #5 |
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07/15/2005 11:29:36 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Why don't you agree with that practice? Are you a vegetarian (in which case I understand)?
But surely, if you eat cow, chicken, pig, lamb or any other mammal you must realize there is no difference?
Edit: Good photo...a few distracting elements but the dead dogs juxtaposed with the live ones creates an interesting element...perhaps getting a little lower and closer might have fixed this. |
Chicken isn't a "mammal" of course, but... There's a cultural/emotional context here. The bond between man and dog is deeply ingrained in Western cultures, so using of dogs as food animals is a qualitatively different thing than using beef, pork etc.
Robt.
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07/15/2005 11:30:26 AM · #7 |
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07/15/2005 11:32:04 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
The bond between man and dog is deeply ingrained in Western cultures, so using of dogs as food animals is a qualitatively different thing than using beef, pork etc. |
Koreans actually have dogs too - and there is only one breed of dog that are specifically bred for kekogi. It's exaaaactly like growing chickens to be eaten. Nobody really has one of these for a "pet" - it's food. But Koreans do sometimes have dogs, althought usually smaller ones as the housing tends to be cramped and there isn't a ton of space for a Marmaduke or somethin. :)
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07/15/2005 11:33:04 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Why don't you agree with that practice? Are you a vegetarian (in which case I understand)?
But surely, if you eat cow, chicken, pig, lamb or any other mammal you must realize there is no difference?
Edit: Good photo...a few distracting elements but the dead dogs juxtaposed with the live ones creates an interesting element...perhaps getting a little lower and closer might have fixed this. |
Chicken isn't a "mammal" of course, but... There's a cultural/emotional context here. The bond between man and dog is deeply ingrained in Western cultures, so using of dogs as food animals is a qualitatively different thing than using beef, pork etc.
Robt. |
That's true, a chicken isn't a mammal. Thanks.
I also agree with your second statement, although it doesn't really give any weight to the argument that this is a disagreeable practice. That's the point I was trying to make.
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07/15/2005 11:35:04 AM · #10 |
I'm not a vegetarian, but what bothers me most about this practice is the torture these animals endure. I once received a brochure about this and they showed the dogs being kept alive and restrained by tying their back legs behind their head during transport and storage.
Love chicken and eggs and have a real hard time with that. Poultry and Pork are virtually tortured right here in the US. I don't want to give up meat, but I try to purchase free-range and organic products whenever available.
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07/15/2005 11:37:25 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
I once received a brochure about this and they showed the dogs being kept alive and restrained by tying their back legs behind their head during transport and storage. |
Hmm, you must admit, that's a pretty genius way of stopping them from going anywhere...I'll have to remember that when I have kids. |
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07/15/2005 11:53:19 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Hmm, you must admit, that's a pretty genius way of stopping them from going anywhere...I'll have to remember that when I have kids. |
I really chuckle reading some of your posts and am at awe at your ability to stick your tied foot from behind your head and into your mouth. If you allowed your mind to keep pace with your fingers, it would likely result in a forum comment such as this last one to be bit more palatable than turd.
Message edited by author 2005-07-15 11:53:52. |
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07/15/2005 11:55:24 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Hmm, you must admit, that's a pretty genius way of stopping them from going anywhere...I'll have to remember that when I have kids. |
I really chuckle reading some of your posts and am at awe at your ability to stick your tied foot from behind your head and into your mouth. If you allowed your mind to keep pace with your fingers, it would likely result in a forum comment such as this last one to be bit more palatable than turd. |
I'm an acquired taste, and so is my...um...turd, I guess.
Anyhow, I love animals...I really do. Bad treatment of 'all things great and small' are an abomination, I think. I do eat meat. I have no problem with that, and I would probably eat dog too.
The point is (and it has been made), that it's not the fact that it is a dead dog lying there that is a horrible...it's the fact that there are live dogs behind them who are being kept in awful conditions.
There, I guess my mind has caught up.
Message edited by author 2005-07-15 11:57:48. |
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07/15/2005 12:07:42 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
I once received a brochure about this and they showed the dogs being kept alive and restrained by tying their back legs behind their head during transport and storage. |
Hmm, you must admit, that's a pretty genius way of stopping them from going anywhere...I'll have to remember that when I have kids. |
Trust me, it doesn't work... kids are wiry little suckers and can wiggle out of the most ingenious of trappings. ;)
j/k don't freak out...trying to bring a sense of levity to such a seriously disturbing thread. ;)
Message edited by author 2005-07-15 12:07:57.
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07/15/2005 12:08:35 PM · #15 |
| I grant other cultures and peoples the right to their practices and sources of food. However, the thing that bugs me the most about the pic is the displaying of the carcasses right beside cages of live dogs. I know in the US, everybody from veterinarians to researchers to meat processing plants observe the practice of never slaughtering an animal in front of its still-living kind. It seems like a humane gesture - don't market the meat of the dead in front of the living. |
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07/15/2005 12:18:17 PM · #16 |
My dog almost died today, she was choking up on a piece of a stuffed animal she destroyed, after it felt from a dried suction cup thingie on the window, at the room she sleeps.
But my sweet lil' thingie is ok now
( )
About the shot, I really don't think it's that cruel, you know. It's just like seeing cows, pigs, or any other animals that we consider "eatable". It's a cultural aspect! We don't pet (not often I'd say) cows and pigs, so an image of it, cut wide open, is not as brutal as this one! I say brutal, cz I instantly thought of my dog, specially today.
Lets face it people, this is nothing different than what we're used to see!
It's just a different "species", in a different "culture". |
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07/15/2005 12:21:28 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by scuds:
My dog almost died today, she was choking up on a piece of a stuffed animal she destroyed, after it felt from a dried suction cup thingie on the window, at the room she sleeps.
But my sweet lil' thingie is ok now
()
About the shot, I really don't think it's that cruel, you know. It's just like seeing cows, pigs, or any other animals that we consider "eatable". It's a cultural aspect! We don't pet (not often I'd say) cows and pigs, so an image of it, cut wide open, is not as brutal as this one! I say brutal, cz I instantly thought of my dog, specially today.
Lets face it people, this is nothing different than what we're used to see!
It's just a different "species", in a different "culture". |
True. Bet you wouldn't go and show pictures of cut up cows to some people in India. |
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07/15/2005 12:31:23 PM · #18 |
I agree with all the sentiments about different cultures and it's just meat and stuff. I can sanitise my feelings about another culture eating man's best friend. After all, bugers are just carbon too, and kids thrive on them :)
What gets me about this shot is a) The dogs living in poor conditions with hopeless broken souls. and b) I know that the lips on the far carcasse are probably pulled back because of gravity and the position of the dog, and the toes on the animal are splayed because of tension on some tendon somewhere, and it's back is arched because of rigor mortis but it just looks like it's las moments were pure, raw agony.
If these carcasses were headless, limbless and hanging in a cold room somewhere, I doubt I would have any reaction. |
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07/15/2005 12:38:21 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Uusilehto:
True. Bet you wouldn't go and show pictures of cut up cows to some people in India. |
I, and I say "I" wouldn't. They could be a lot harsher, than the most dog affecionate person! To them, cows are sacred! Just like cats are to the egiptians and to the birmanians!
It's just that we're not used to eat what we pamper! Raise a double whooper from b-king, and u'll never eat it! |
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07/15/2005 12:51:04 PM · #20 |
That is gross...
Here's an interesting little article....if you're interested:
Korean Dog Market
Message edited by author 2005-07-15 13:01:18. |
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07/15/2005 01:04:00 PM · #21 |
ARe you kidding?! US slaughterhouses and meat packing plants are some of the most cruel and abusive places in the world. Just read Slaughterhouse, by Gail Eisnitz, as she documents the miserable conditions and practices. For example, cows are hung upside down by one leg (she said you can hear the ligaments tearing and cries of the animal) to be cut in the throat and bleed to death. The animals know exactly what they are in for when on the assembly line and many animals don't die in a timely fashion. Some animals are boiled to death, as this expedites revoval of their hide. Hardly humane practices.
HERE are some pictures from a slautherhouse. Look at it and cry!
Originally posted by strangeghost:
I know in the US, everybody from veterinarians to researchers to meat processing plants observe the practice of never slaughtering an animal in front of its still-living kind. It seems like a humane gesture. |
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07/15/2005 01:13:58 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
HERE are some pictures from a slautherhouse. Look at it and cry! |
Ok, now that's f*cked up! But then, we need it, meat, in order to survive, to satisfy our apetite!
It's kinda hard to face it, but's just like a car production line, they're producing something, and that needs to be fast, with the lowest cost possible!
Why not just hit them with a hammer, on the head!? Ppl would say that it's too brutal, but won't they just die the same way?!?
It's cruel reality, but it'll always be like this! |
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07/15/2005 01:20:53 PM · #23 |
thats messed up I got to go give my dog a hug now
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07/15/2005 01:21:47 PM · #24 |
Shot is a good one. Issues that make it difficult to see are
1. As an animals intelligence goes up, we find killing them for food more objectionable.
2. Carcass with head and feet on are always more difficult to view as opposed to the sterile view of beef hanging where it has lost most of its resemblance to anything living. Head and feet remind us it was once alive.
3. The seeming grimace on the carcass juxtaposed against the standard sitting dog looking expressions in the background and the vanishing point tends to add to the impact. Good shot.
4. We have tended to put dogs in a heroic role as mans friend, rescuer and selfless companion. Seeing them in this paradigm violates our view of these animals we have seen in a companion/hero status.
Message edited by author 2005-07-15 14:12:49. |
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07/15/2005 02:15:36 PM · #25 |
| yikes, I don't think I could ever eat dog... |
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