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06/23/2005 02:07:40 PM · #1
who even votes or is a part of this website that doesn't own a camera? I do not get this at all! Why? Why!
06/23/2005 02:09:36 PM · #2
There are a few members who do that. You can appreciate photography without owning a camera.
06/23/2005 02:11:14 PM · #3
I had wondered that also, and just figured that they are people who enjoy great photography. There are some very good images to be seen here on this site.

My only question is why they always vote lower on my challenges than the average.
06/23/2005 02:12:41 PM · #4
I understand that you can appreciate photography without owning a camera, but I just don't see why they would participate in a photo challenge website without ever entering a challenge or having a portfolio to share, etc.
06/23/2005 02:15:25 PM · #5
Originally posted by Minutia:

My only question is why they always vote lower on my challenges than the average.


I have wondered that also and came to this conclusion: They don't own a camera therefore don't take pictures and therefore cannot appreciate a lot of the shots they see since they never tried to do it themselves.

06/23/2005 02:17:34 PM · #6
Originally posted by Alienyst:

Originally posted by Minutia:

My only question is why they always vote lower on my challenges than the average.


I have wondered that also and came to this conclusion: They don't own a camera therefore don't take pictures and therefore cannot appreciate a lot of the shots they see since they never tried to do it themselves.


Sounds right to me. Photography takes dedication.
06/23/2005 02:19:03 PM · #7
Originally posted by Alienyst:

Originally posted by Minutia:

My only question is why they always vote lower on my challenges than the average.


I have wondered that also and came to this conclusion: They don't own a camera therefore don't take pictures and therefore cannot appreciate a lot of the shots they see since they never tried to do it themselves.


YOU HIT IT DEAD ON! That is my point! How do they know what is technicaly challenging?
06/23/2005 02:21:05 PM · #8
My take is that voters without cameras are because they like to look at all the purdy pictures.

In the real world viewers without cameras are the ones that buy prints. They don't have a camera for some reason or another and really enjoy the works of others.

People with Cameras have prints and don't really need OPP (other peoples prints) unless the are outrageously stirring.

I wish there were more voters without cameras here because averages might be a bit different.

I don't really get the "voters without Cameras don't know what is good or bad" thinking that comes up often.


06/23/2005 02:22:01 PM · #9
I find the votes by "voters without camera" to be the most interesting, because were I to sell any of my prints (not that I am good enough yet!) these people, who do not take pictures themselves, would probably be my customers.
06/23/2005 02:26:24 PM · #10
Originally posted by awpollard:

My take is that voters without cameras are because they like to look at all the purdy pictures.

In the real world viewers without cameras are the ones that buy prints. They don't have a camera for some reason or another and really enjoy the works of others.

People with Cameras have prints and don't really need OPP (other peoples prints) unless the are outrageously stirring.

I wish there were more voters without cameras here because averages might be a bit different.

I don't really get the "voters without Cameras don't know what is good or bad" thinking that comes up often.


I never thought about that! You made a great point and thanks for posting it. You have opened my eyes and now I see!
06/23/2005 02:26:52 PM · #11
Mandy, if your Kodak broke, you would be a voter without a camera. BradP sold his camera a few weeks ago and was in a similar situation. Just because you don't have a camera doesn't mean you don't appreciate and understand photography or haven't participated in a challenge. That said, I can certainly understand the frustration of a no-camera vote. Take a look at the average vote for camera and no-camera for the top two photos in THIS challenge. :-(
06/23/2005 02:29:22 PM · #12
I don't paint and know nothing of the techniques of painting but still have an opinion of what I like and don't like.

Voters without cameras are just voting based on what they like or don't like. Knowing how challenging a technique is or isn't is irrelevant to the quality of the image. We're not voting based on degree of difficulty (at least I'm not).

Just my 2 cents.
06/23/2005 02:29:55 PM · #13
Just a thought.

Most of us like music, film, performing arts, fine arts, all sorts of things. Most of us probably say we really like or don't like something, or appreciate this or that about it, but not something else. Most likely, we also probably lack the equipment to do whatever it is we like or don't like. I don't think that makes anybody any less able to appreciate something.

True, someone w/o a camera might not understand the technical aspects of photography, but many people can't sing (myself included!) and appreciate someone with a good voice.

Just my two cents.
Cheers
06/23/2005 02:32:29 PM · #14
Originally posted by scalvert:

Mandy, if your Kodak broke, you would be a voter without a camera. BradP sold his camera a few weeks ago and was in a similar situation. Just because you don't have a camera doesn't mean you don't appreciate and understand photography or haven't participated in a challenge. That said, I can certainly understand the frustration of a no-camera vote. Take a look at the average vote for camera and no-camera for the top two photos in THIS challenge. :-(


LOL that stings don't it?

R.
06/23/2005 02:32:43 PM · #15
Originally posted by scalvert:

Mandy, if your Kodak broke, you would be a voter without a camera. BradP sold his camera a few weeks ago and was in a similar situation. Just because you don't have a camera doesn't mean you don't appreciate and understand photography or haven't participated in a challenge. That said, I can certainly understand the frustration of a no-camera vote. Take a look at the average vote for camera and no-camera for the top two photos in THIS challenge. :-(


I was under the impression that the no camera voters are members or users that do not participate in challenges, they only view, comment and vote on entries or portfolios.
06/23/2005 02:34:37 PM · #16
Originally posted by fotolady:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Mandy, if your Kodak broke, you would be a voter without a camera. BradP sold his camera a few weeks ago and was in a similar situation. Just because you don't have a camera doesn't mean you don't appreciate and understand photography or haven't participated in a challenge. That said, I can certainly understand the frustration of a no-camera vote. Take a look at the average vote for camera and no-camera for the top two photos in THIS challenge. :-(


I was under the impression that the no camera voters are members or users that do not participate in challenges, they only view, comment and vote on entries or portfolios.


They certainly don't participate in challenges, if they have no camera. Or maybe they occasionally borrow one to enter a challenge. All it takes to be a no-camera voter is to leave empty the camera data in your profile. Anyone can do it...

R.
06/23/2005 02:34:44 PM · #17
Originally posted by bear_music:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Mandy, if your Kodak broke, you would be a voter without a camera. BradP sold his camera a few weeks ago and was in a similar situation. Just because you don't have a camera doesn't mean you don't appreciate and understand photography or haven't participated in a challenge. That said, I can certainly understand the frustration of a no-camera vote. Take a look at the average vote for camera and no-camera for the top two photos in THIS challenge. :-(


LOL that stings don't it?

R.


I have more than one camera, thank you!

Message edited by author 2005-06-23 14:35:52.
06/23/2005 02:35:06 PM · #18
Originally posted by fotolady:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Mandy, if your Kodak broke, you would be a voter without a camera. BradP sold his camera a few weeks ago and was in a similar situation. Just because you don't have a camera doesn't mean you don't appreciate and understand photography or haven't participated in a challenge. That said, I can certainly understand the frustration of a no-camera vote. Take a look at the average vote for camera and no-camera for the top two photos in THIS challenge. :-(


I was under the impression that the no camera voters are members or users that do not participate in challenges, they only view, comment and vote on entries or portfolios.


And there's nothing wrong with that. I don't see your point unless you only want feedback from other photographers.


06/23/2005 02:36:41 PM · #19
Originally posted by fotolady:

I was under the impression that the no camera voters are members or users that do not participate in challenges, they only view, comment and vote on entries or portfolios.


It simply means that you don't have a camera. Remove your camera in your preferences, and you become one of those people.
06/23/2005 02:40:46 PM · #20
In defense of these poor people (not financially poor, but because not only do they have to vote without having a camera, they get singled out in the forums, regularly).

1) I don't have a motorcycle, but I can still have an opinion (which is all the vote really is) about what is a good one.

2) Most of the time, there are probably only three or four voters without cameras. Rather than look at the average (which I have seen to be as high as camera-owners, but no one ever starts a thread about that), look at the total curve of scores. IF the non-camera vote is 4.5 (and the camera vote is 6.5), yes, it looks like it is lower. BUT, when you look at the curve, you can see that there were several ones, several twos, a lot of threes, a lot of fours, etc. So, the voters without cameras were not the only ones to vote low. Theirs is just more noticeable because there are so few of them. My vote of one basically gets lost in a bunch of other votes. BUT, if you had a statistic of 707 owners in Western North Carolina who have a 3 yo son and a 4 month old daughter, my vote is going to take on a whole new "persona." Does that make any sense at all?

3) I don't have a third point. I over-exerted my brain cells on #2.
06/23/2005 02:45:50 PM · #21
it was just a question. I am not nor have I ever been a voter without a camera hater. Just curious about a few things, we can stop the Mandy-Bashing session. Sorry i brought it up--LOVE to all those without a camera! (by the way I AM a financially poor person, but have a 2 cameras)--it is possible.
06/23/2005 02:49:45 PM · #22
no ones bashing you (or anyone else), you asked a question, it is being answered.

no blood
no foul
06/23/2005 03:16:01 PM · #23
Yea, so shut up!

Just kidding. Seriously.
06/23/2005 03:22:24 PM · #24
perhaps they are film photographers who haven't made the decision to go digital yet.
06/23/2005 03:23:38 PM · #25
just me personally, i voted here before i technically "had a camera" because i only shot film and couldnt use those pictures in challenges here. so i had a camera, but not on this site and still voted
edit: sher's post jumped in there as i was typing mine

Message edited by author 2005-06-23 15:26:13.
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