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06/14/2005 10:29:06 PM · #1 |
One story that has slipped under the radar due to the circus around the jackson trial is this :null
I'm not American, but this has an effect on the whole world if it succeeds. What it means is that should this resolution get enough support it would allow Bush to go for a third term and more...President for life infact...it's happening under right under your noses:( |
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06/14/2005 10:30:32 PM · #2 |
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06/14/2005 10:32:49 PM · #3 |
Well if the voters vote him in...they CHOOSE him. That's democracy, whether it's a good idea or not...
Message edited by author 2005-06-14 22:33:17. |
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06/14/2005 10:33:55 PM · #4 |
it was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
It will never pass. I doubt it will ever even get out of committie.
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06/14/2005 10:34:06 PM · #5 |
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06/14/2005 10:34:53 PM · #6 |
You might frown about that and many people may be happy, only time will tell if he is a good leader or not, whether or not you think he is. I'll say this, if that actually happened and Bush led a third term, then obviously he has some support. I can't recall too many U.S. presidents that both led two terms and were generally looked down upon in terms of leadership. (sure Clinton didn't have morals but that's beside the point right?)
Anyways, I get frustrated while abroad and people talk bad about our government. In most cases the country could use some fixing of their own before they start to talk about ours. |
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06/14/2005 10:36:19 PM · #7 |
Perhaps acquainting yourself with the U.S. Constitution may help you understand that precedent has been set and something as ingrained as 2 term presidency will not change. Also, since America is the first and long lasting democracy on a truly massive scale, a "dictator" of any popularity or belief system will not hold any water.
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06/14/2005 10:37:58 PM · #8 |
Our current prime minister (in Australia) is also trying to pass legislation that will benefit his party in stating in power longer ... i think it is a disgrace, he only seems to care about money and power and is determined to turn us into Americe (no offense), but do we really have to make the same mistakes?
Sorry for the rant-like post |
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06/14/2005 10:44:34 PM · #9 |
Amber-It ain't gonna happen.
The thought isn't even worth the cyber energy(ink) that this is being printed with.
Message edited by author 2005-06-14 22:44:48.
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06/14/2005 10:45:08 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by doctornick:
Well if the voters vote him in...they CHOOSE him. That's democracy, whether it's a good idea or not... |
Wasn't he 'chosen' by the judiciary the first time? |
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06/14/2005 11:09:10 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Amber-It ain't gonna happen.
The thought isn't even worth the cyber energy(ink) that this is being printed with. |
Maybe to re-phrase: It ain't gonna happen, again.
FDR--elected to 4 terms, didn't survive the 4th and Truman served out. The US president constitutionally can enact emergency conditionalities and with the support of Congress gain almost unlimited powers.
Like suspending prisoners' rights to a speedy trial (and therefore rot in jail) in what amounts to a violation of civil rights.
Come to think of it, this current American president has done just that, as well.
Jeb isn't going to be happy having George spoil his chance to run. He might regret all those favors he called in, in Florida.
Message edited by author 2005-06-14 23:11:04.
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06/14/2005 11:11:14 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by amber:
Originally posted by doctornick:
Well if the voters vote him in...they CHOOSE him. That's democracy, whether it's a good idea or not... |
Wasn't he 'chosen' by the judiciary the first time? |
Yep but we chose the judiciary system. If you've got a better idea for a more open and free government for the people just write it out and get it in place. Everything will be fine then =) |
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06/14/2005 11:15:35 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by petrakka:
Originally posted by amber:
Originally posted by doctornick:
Well if the voters vote him in...they CHOOSE him. That's democracy, whether it's a good idea or not... |
Wasn't he 'chosen' by the judiciary the first time? |
Yep but we chose the judiciary system. If you've got a better idea for a more open and free government for the people just write it out and get it in place. Everything will be fine then =) |
How about the person with the popular vote wins?
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06/14/2005 11:18:12 PM · #14 |
Or how about a few quotes from the man himself?
"You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier." Describing what it's like to be governor of Texas.
(Governing Magazine 7/98)
-- From Paul Begala's "Is Our Children Learning?"
"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator," Bush joked.
-- CNN.com, December 18, 2000
"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it, " [Bush] said.
-- Business Week, July 30, 2001
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06/14/2005 11:18:40 PM · #15 |
three termed presidency will become reality, just like the reality that my people will be given back the lands that were stolen by the government.
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06/14/2005 11:20:27 PM · #16 |
There have been attempts to repeal the 22nd amendment several times since it was ratified in 1951. In practical terms, only one president, Roosevelt, ever served more than 2 terms, and that he did so was an accident of history; he was nearing the end of his second term when WWII broke out, and it didn't seem wise to change horses in midstream, as it were.
It's always the incumbent party that's trying to repeal the 22nd amendment, and they've never succeeded. They won't succeed this time, either. Even if it passed through congress, it would have to be ratified by 3/4 of the states, and this wouldn't happen.
Robt.
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06/14/2005 11:57:58 PM · #17 |
Just think, Dems, if it passes, Billy's gonna run again and be President for Life.
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06/15/2005 12:12:55 AM · #18 |
It amazes me that as this issue pops up, again, half of the country is in horror, and the other half is applauding. I remember the same issue being on the table in 1999 or so, with a different party at the beginning of it's twilight.
Before you automatically assume that this repeal would give the sitting president the unlimited powers of a dictatorship, do remember that the amendment introduced is a long ways from being enacted into law, and the President still has to be elected every 4 years, and all the parties get to run. That is not quite what I think of as a dictatorship.
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06/15/2005 12:41:34 AM · #19 |
| The shits gonna hit the fan for the Bush administration once Congress starts investigating the Downing Street memo and the media start to really look at it. Bush is already at his lowest point in his approval rating. I don't think the people really want him as much as the republicans want to push this through. |
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06/15/2005 12:58:50 AM · #20 |
Speaking of Congress making permanent fixtures part of the US legal landscape, does anyone know that the Senate Intelligence Committe approved a measure last week to make 8 provisions of the USA Patriot Act permanent and to increase government surveillance of it's people without judicial review. Pretty scary stuff and that's also happening under our noses without much discussion in the major media.
About 370 towns and municipalities, as well as, 6 states have passed resolutions against the USAPA. From here it has to be approved by the Senate Judicial Committe and then on to the full Senate and House for it to pass and to become law.
The attempt at the repeal of the 22nd amendment may be a political ploy to get attention away from what Congress is doing regarding the USAPA. |
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06/29/2005 07:51:32 PM · #21 |
Wasn't he 'chosen' by the judiciary the first time?[/i]
Yep but we chose the judiciary system. If you've got a better idea for a more open and free government for the people just write it out and get it in place. Everything will be fine then =)
How about the person with the popular vote wins?
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Great idea, and I don't recall casting my vote for Clarence Thomas or any other member of the Supreme Court. Didn't vote for Katherine Harris either. Come to think of it, I didn't vote for George...either time. Whew...so none of this is my fault. |
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06/29/2005 08:57:13 PM · #22 |
Someone (for some reason I want to say George Orwell I'm not sure) once said
"Democracy is the idea that more than half the people are right more than half the time."
Thought that was an interesting statement. Sorry I have nothing of any real substance to contribute to the thread. |
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