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06/08/2005 09:43:48 PM · #1 |
Hey guys! Your friendly neighborhood SC has been hard at work on a rules revision for the last several weeks. We are trying to help clarify some of the language in the advanced rule set.
We are presenting this to the members for a 1 week period of open discussion. We will take all suggestions under advisement. We may or may not include those suggestions in this revision. We ask that you keep things clean. If you would like to kill any members of SC, please take it outdoors, we just got the carpets cleaned. ;)
All challenge submissions must comply with the DPChallenge Terms of Use.
Any of the following rules may be overridden by the "Extra Rules" section of the challenge details.
The advanced editing rules were created to allow photographers better use of the "digital darkroom" to more accurately represent their photographic intent. [b] These rules are not meant to allow the creation of new features that didn't exist in the original capture, so there are limitations to what extent certain tools and techniques may be applied to a challenge entry. All disqualifications are determined by the majority vote of the Site Council, so if you are unclear about any part of these rules, you should either err on the side of caution or contact a member of the Site Council or an administrator before submitting. The Site Council will disqualify any photo it finds violates either the letter or spirit of these rules.
Image Modification and Content Rules
Your entry must come from a single photograph, taken during the specified challenge timeframe. You may not post-process your entry from or to include elements of multiple images, multiple exposures, clip art, computer-rendered images, or elements from other photographs (even those taken during the challenge week), and other similar items. A photograph may only be used in one challenge, even if it is cropped or altered differently to fit another challenge. Duplicate photos will be disqualified.
Selective Editing: Adjustments can be made selectively to your photo, and you may saturate, desaturate or shift hues as desired. Cloning, dodging, burning, etc. to improve your photo or remove imperfections or minor distractions, etc. is acceptable. However, using ANY editing tools to duplicate, create, move or remove major elements of your photograph is not permitted. Major elements are the features that a typical person might mention if asked to describe the photo in general terms. They have a significant impact on composition and content, and are not necessarily determined by size. Since a minor distraction for one person could be a major element to another, borderline cases are judged by majority Site Council vote.
Layers: You may use layers, layer masks and alternative layer modes to assist in your selective editing.
Filters: You may apply filters to enhance all or part of your photo, provided the tool itself does not move or obscure major elements, or create new shapes/objects that didn't exist in the original image. Note that voters typically frown upon heavily filtered images that look more graphic than photographic.
Text: No text may be added to your submission. This includes copyright statements and signatures.
Any modification done inside the digital camera itself is considered acceptable for challenge submission.
You are highly encouraged to list all of your post-shot editing steps in the "Photographer's Comments" section when submitting your photo.
• Subject matter must comply with the DPChallenge Terms of Use. The following are additional restrictions on subject matter:
• Artwork Literal photographic representations of existing works of art (including your own) are not considered acceptable submissions, however creative depictions or interpretations are permissible. This includes, but is not limited to paintings, sculptures, photographs, drawings, computer artwork, computer monitors, and television screens. Your image must be more than just a documentary photograph of the artwork itself and demonstrate the photographer's influence in some way (through creative lighting or composition, unusual viewpoints, added elements or context, etc.).
• Nudity Nudity is an acceptable form of art on this site. Photographs may not, however, show male or female genitalia or any acts of sex. Nudity should be presented in a tasteful manner.
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Ladies, gents and Jackos- the floor is open for discussion. As always, we value the work you guys do to help us make DPC a better place.
We also appreciate the fact that you ignore Clara's inability to apply the bold tag correctly. ;)
Message edited by author 2005-06-08 23:05:45. |
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06/08/2005 09:48:44 PM · #2 |
| What was changed? This sounds pretty clear. |
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06/08/2005 09:54:48 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by doctornick:
What was changed? |
Clarifications on Major Elements, Filter use and Literal Artwork, with a few are other minor wording changes. Open the existing rules in another window and you can compare the two versions.
Message edited by author 2005-06-08 21:55:17. |
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06/08/2005 09:55:10 PM · #4 |
I see the nudity part has been changed to say "male or female genitalia".
Can we have a precise meaning on what "female genitalia" is please? Does the Mons Pubis count here? Thank you ;)
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06/08/2005 09:56:12 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
I see the nudity part has been changed to say "male or female genitalia". |
Nope. That's what the current rules say. |
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06/08/2005 10:00:47 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Artyste:
I see the nudity part has been changed to say "male or female genitalia". |
Nope. That's what the current rules say. |
Oh.. I don't remember it saying exactly that! doh.
Anyway, I guess that means the mons pubis isn't considered genitalia. Thanks
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06/08/2005 10:02:32 PM · #7 |
Most of the editing questions here on DPC are about the Selective Editing in Basic Editing Rules. You should put something like:
"Acceptable Slective Editing includes, for example, changing the hue of only one color channel..."
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06/08/2005 10:04:34 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by peterish:
Most of the editing questions here on DPC are about the Selective Editing in Basic Editing Rules. |
You're right, but let's focus on the Advanced Editing rules for the moment. |
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06/08/2005 10:05:22 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by doctornick:
What was changed? |
Clarifications on Major Elements, Filter use and Literal Artwork, with a few are other minor wording changes. Open the existing rules in another window and you can compare the two versions. |
Or wait for Clara to get the rassafrassing bold tags to display correctly. :) Any errors in how it's posted here are all me. It's late, and poor dyslexic Showalters are having issues with left slash and right slash. :)
Can we start a collection? Get Clara a typist?
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06/08/2005 10:19:08 PM · #10 |
I'm actually not sure whether the current rules would allow this, but reading the language "provided the tool itself does not move or obscure major elements" makes me wonder if that that would disallow any filters that correct for lens distortions, as major elements in the image will be "moved" (though possibly only by a pixel). I guess the thing that just stands out here for me is the use of the word "move", as it allows for a number of interpretations. Maybe being more precise by disallowing any "movement of a major element relative to other elements", or something like that? I'm not sure that really clears it up either, but I am hoping my rant will lead some people to come up with come clearer language around "movement"...
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06/08/2005 10:41:36 PM · #11 |
| de-fishing and other lens distortion corrections are acceptable. |
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06/08/2005 10:46:45 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by ParadigmShift:
"movement of a major element relative to other elements", or something like that? |
That's the intention. Maybe reposition would be a better word that move? |
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06/08/2005 10:54:47 PM · #13 |
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06/08/2005 10:57:50 PM · #14 |
| Aspirin is legal under either editing rules. |
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06/08/2005 11:03:16 PM · #15 |
Now to toss an iron in the fire...
Zoom and motion blur
Do these two processes not move enough pixels to be considered moving
major elements and/or altering the image to be something it wasn't?
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06/08/2005 11:04:23 PM · #16 |
Asking this question due to complete ignorance:
Is correcting lens distortion (that's usually fixing perspective problems right?) really moving pixels? If so, what replaces the space left after the pixels are moved? What happens to the pixels in the way?
I know when you cut something out it leaves a hole. How does this work?
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06/08/2005 11:21:37 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Zoom and motion blur
Do these two processes not move enough pixels to be considered moving
major elements and/or altering the image to be something it wasn't? |
The rules don't say anything about moving pixels. It's only when objects are moved in relation to each other that a problem arises. Move a duck from one side of the image to another, and you're looking at a DQ. The main thing you have watch out for with any tools (including motion blurs) is that you don't completely obscure something major in the process. If a zoom blur or motion filter is used to the point that you can no longer recognize a roller coaster that made up the bulk of your background, then it will likely be DQ'd. The same would be true if you dodged or burned the roller coaster into obscurity.
Message edited by author 2005-06-08 23:24:13. |
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06/08/2005 11:23:54 PM · #18 |
I keep waiting for the rules to state things that allow us to improve the accuracy and representation of the photos. I don't see why this cannot be done "safely".
Of course, I'm talking about the prohibition against using bracketed exposures, taken on a tripod, to be combined to enhance dynamic range. Like everything else, it would have to be stated carefully, but this is just as valid a photographic process, even moreso, than many things that are still allowed!
I presume Brad is referring to zoom blur and motion blur via filters; personally, I can't see how this filtering step would be allowed, since it certainly distorts and obscurs the scene and what was captured in the original. Zoom and motion blur can be relatively easily planned and done in camera anyway. |
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06/08/2005 11:33:54 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
...this is just as valid a photographic process, even moreso, than many things that are still allowed! |
If you shoot in RAW, you can legally combine a dark and light exposure processed from the same original capture to achieve a similar result. Stacking multiple negatives to make a print is also a valid photographic process, but that doesn't mean we should allow it. The idea of having a single original file is crucial to the validation process.
Zoom, motion blur, lighting effects, texturizer, etc. are all legal tools, but subject to the major elements clause. Adding a slight motion blur is OK, but making prominent features of your image "disappear" into the blurred areas is not. Yes, motion blurs can be achieved in camera, but so can correct white balance and good composition. That's no reason to limit color tweaks or the crop tool. |
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06/08/2005 11:44:36 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
...The idea of having a single original file is crucial to the validation process.... |
Why? Why can't the two exposures be sent in for validation? |
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06/08/2005 11:45:59 PM · #21 |
| Because everybody gets one shot. It's a basic principle of this site. |
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06/08/2005 11:48:21 PM · #22 |
Though I do understand that most things (like zoom blur) done within reason to "enhance" rather than make an image something it wasn't is kind of on a case-by-case basis, and as is with anything questionable, or taken to an extreme can be cause for a validation request and ultimately a disqualification. Running an action that makes a significant effect on an image, then going back and using a history brush/eraser to undo only portions of it (as only one example), are really nearly impossible tasks in a regular darkroom, and feel many of the challenge limitations should closely parallel what can/could be done in a real darkroom, rather than trying to leave it up to the discretion or interpretation of each member's opinion.
I for one, would like to see somewhere on the site, a list of allowable actions, plug-ins, filters, etc. that have been checked and permitted for use in both levels of editing. Some actions do play in the layers in ways we may not see, yet are specifically not allowed when done manually.
I know these would be an administrative burden at first to determine if and what is allowed, but once in place, may take away a lot of needless questions being asked over & over in the forums. A central repository of what can be/can't be used would sure simplify things in my opinion. |
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06/09/2005 12:06:34 AM · #23 |
" Note that voters typically frown upon heavily filtered images that look more graphic than photographic."
baloney verbage |
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06/09/2005 12:16:02 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by undieyatch:
" Note that voters typically frown upon heavily filtered images that look more graphic than photographic."
baloney verbage |
I'll second that baloney verbage call. I'm not opposed to the idea behind the statement, but the wording is way too subjective, IMO.
I looked at possible revisions of this statement. Concluded that it could be cut with little to no net effect.
Message edited by author 2005-06-09 00:18:02. |
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06/09/2005 12:28:20 AM · #25 |
this line is in the existing rules:
(Be aware that extensively altering the "look" of your photograph with an "effects" filter is often not well received by voters.)
it's not meant to be subjective; just a warning. we really just re-worded what was already there.
Message edited by author 2005-06-09 00:28:32. |
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