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 09/19/2002 11:35:37 AM · #1
I have just finished marking all the photos and commenting on some of the photos in the current Negative Space Challenge and I think that the administrators can be proud of the fact that the creativity of this site seems to get better and better. Certainly all the work that people put in- on the photos- the marking- and the challenge seems to pay off. These photos are inspirational and I think we are privileged to be able to participate on a site like this. Thanks for all the hard work- I think this is the best site on the web and I freely admit to being addicted to it.
 09/19/2002 01:29:21 PM · #2
Your shot: Peapaya--(genetically modified Fruit 'n Veg )
Was very creative and I reall liked it.
 09/19/2002 01:37:38 PM · #3
Originally posted by justine:
Your shot: Peapaya--(genetically modified Fruit 'n Veg )
Was very creative and I reall liked it.

Ditto to you both *grin*
 09/19/2002 02:02:51 PM · #4
Your Peapaya photo was extremly creative. I liked it!
 09/19/2002 04:29:36 PM · #5
Thanks for the feedback--I am always amazed at the creativity on the site. This is what makes it so interesting--a world of reactions to one challenge topic --truly amazing!
 09/19/2002 04:56:58 PM · #6
Finally finished voting and WHEW! I gave out five 10's and a ton of 8's and 9's as well. Usually only one or two photo's say "10" to me, but there were a lot of great submissions this time around. Conversely, I gave out more scores below 5 than usual too. This was probably a hard one for a lot of folks who didn't fully understand the term 'negative space' and don't read the forums.

After a few weeks off (this is the first time in a couple of weeks that I've even voted) I'm looking forward to shooting a corner of my world.
 09/19/2002 09:14:10 PM · #7
Dear fellow Photographer's I would like to make an effort to clear up a misunderstanding be it honest...
I am not an expert but want to be the best I can at photograghy, I do have an art background so as you may have noticed in my photo(Silence) there is a strong art feel to the composition.
As for the "Neg space" I did somewhat look at this photo from an abstract viewpoint. My intent was not to show the emotion of negativity but the abstract form of "Neg Space" in the reflection.
My apologies to anyone who misunderstood my intent, as I have learned Photograghy is part skill as well as part art...and it is tough to get the right balence sometimes.
I love all the entries I have seen in this catagory and good luck to all who entered a photo!
 09/20/2002 09:38:19 AM · #8
There were some really great photos in the negative space challenge but it's to bad most of the really good ones didn't listen to what it said (they used solid backgrounds or somthing less impressive then the subject). The background was supposed to wow you not the subject :- heh oh well.
 09/20/2002 09:53:45 AM · #9
Originally posted by brianc:
There were some really great photos in the negative space challenge but it's to bad most of the really good ones didn't listen to what it said (they used solid backgrounds or somthing less impressive then the subject). The background was supposed to wow you not the subject :- heh oh well.

I have to disagree with you there, brianc - I don't believe that the background was supposed to "wow" you; I believe that the photographer's use of negative space to enhance, or portray the subject, is what is supposed to "wow" you. Negative space, quite often, IS a solid (or what may be percieved to be solid) background.

And in my opinion, most of the ones that I loved the best did just that. Great job everyone - I am so impressed by the work this week.
 09/20/2002 09:59:08 AM · #10
I agree... a solid background is VERY effective at pushing your subject and making it stand out. Busy backgrounds distract from the subject in many cases...
 09/20/2002 10:27:02 AM · #11
I'm a notoriously easy scorer, but I was worried I had gone overboard with the number of high scores I gave this week... I think there were MANY excellent images and the talent here truly humbles me.

Brian, and all others that felt a solid color somehow was not fitting in this challenge, I think you misunderstood either what the challenge was or what negative space is... I think I now understand negative space A LOT better than I did a week ago. Yes, effective negative space does not have to be one solid color, but it most certainly CAN be.
 09/20/2002 12:32:48 PM · #12
Originally posted by brianc:
There were some really great photos in the negative space challenge but it's to bad most of the really good ones didn't listen to what it said (they used solid backgrounds or somthing less impressive then the subject). The background was supposed to wow you not the subject :- heh oh well.

Unfortunately, another mis-interpretation of the challenge in my opinion. If you go back and read the challenge it says to use the negative space to create the wow in the image not in the negative space. I have really been frustrated by those that interpreted the challenge as brianc did. If I had it to do over again, I just wouldn't submit to this challenge.
 09/20/2002 01:13:45 PM · #13
Well that's how I understood it. Sorry I'm new here :)
 09/20/2002 01:27:08 PM · #14
Originally posted by brianc:
Well that's how I understood it. Sorry I'm new here :)

It has nothing to do with you being 'new to the site'. It has to do with you not 'wanting' to educate yourself about the subject. There have been alot of discussions in this forum regarding the subject...enough to make it a usefull resource. If you weren't sure or didn't know, there are enough people around here to explain to you what 'they' think it means. Take that information and then decide on your interpertation...but don't use the excuse of 'I'm new here'.

You could be a regular on this site and still not now everything (yes, it is possible)...what's great is that that are alot of good photographers with experience around, and they are available to provide you with insight on any issue...for free :)

It really sucks, because my entry is getting a ton of 'crappy' votes, but yet I got great comments and great marks from some of the 'regulars' here.

This was my first entry...I should have waited for next week. Oh well...live and learn.
 09/20/2002 01:28:31 PM · #15
Golly gee whiz.

This challenge was open to such a wide-variety of interpretations that my head was spinning for days.

I figure its past time to be splitting hairs over this one and just move along to the next.

<Traffic cop blows whistle and motions to the crowd, exclaiming: "Move along now... Nothing to see here.">

(nothing... as in negative space... its a pun, ok. now move along ' - )
 09/20/2002 01:29:41 PM · #16
Same here zadore; lots of comments complimenting my submission, but the score is dropping like a stone ! Oh well, that's DPC !!

Having fun anyway,
Linda
 09/20/2002 01:34:54 PM · #17
Originally posted by mcmurma:
Traffic cop blows whistle and motions to the crowd, exclaiming: "Move along now... Nothing to see here."

(nothing... as in negative space... its a pun, ok. now move along ' - )


Yeah, I got it. LOL. I use that quote a lot!


And brianc, don't let it worry you. Being new here IS daunting, and as a newbie you may not have even realised what a wonderful resource the forums can be in terms of discussing the meanings of challenges and the understanding of various photographic genres and techniques. You are welcome here, and you are free to enter whatever you want to enter, regardless of whether someone else feels it wastes their time and tries their patience.



* This message has been edited by the author on 9/20/2002 1:33:59 PM.
 09/20/2002 02:08:38 PM · #18
The forums are equally challenging. They are filled with folks pontificating about stuff they don't fully understand themselves, and saying rather rude things to newbies in an effort, I guess, to impress.

* This message has been edited by the author on 9/20/2002 2:06:58 PM.
 09/20/2002 02:43:57 PM · #19
This has actually been a fun challenge to observe. I posted a picture strictly for fun; not expecting or getting a high score. I can tell by the comments who is a photographer and has participated here from those who are just passing through.
I love it.
 09/20/2002 03:36:24 PM · #20
Originally posted by lhall:
"Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us." Jerry Garcia

Thanks for bringing this great quotation to my attention!

--Paul
 09/20/2002 04:09:08 PM · #21
I feel like I learned a lot in the forums on NS. What I have learned has lead me to believe that many do not understand it. My votes are the lowest since the fear challenge.

Unfortunately, I am going to be on the road from Saturday until Tuesday, so I am going to miss seeing the winners for a few days.

Good luck.
 09/21/2002 12:37:21 AM · #22
Thank you for the comments posted with my image (in the "Negative Space" challenge).
There seems to be recurring theme, that my image is too dark.
I check my monitor and it seems to be correctly calibrated.
I wonder if there could be a general preference of technical perfection at the expense of what the image is trying to say.
Any comments are welcome.

Thanks.
Dimitrii
 09/21/2002 01:24:30 AM · #23
I had this problem on my first post. I optimized the image for a dramatic affect, and it looked crappy to a lot of people. It looks horrendous on my monitor at work. I have since tried to find a happy medium. I try it at different brightness levels on my monitor, and make sure it the image never blocks up, or looks how I dod not want it too.
 09/21/2002 01:27:29 AM · #24
Sometimes the trouble we get into in challenge descriptions is when there is too much information in photographic TECHNIQUE challenges like this one.

The negative space challenge should have just said. "Use negative space as your technique this week". By adding the "wow" etc.. description we end up influencing people who are uncomfortable or too new to photography/art to understand the technique (which like all photographic techniqes..have LOTS of variations that are all valid).

I sorta wish we could stay away from specific technique challenges. Many folks here are very new to photography and may have a hard time defining the proper uses of technique. I wish we could stay with more subject oriented challenges that allow all techniques to accomplish the challenge.

 09/21/2002 02:00:18 AM · #25
Originally posted by hokie:
Sometimes the trouble we get into in challenge descriptions is when there is too much information in photographic TECHNIQUE challenges like this one.

The negative space challenge should have just said. "Use negative space as your technique this week". By adding the "wow" etc.. description we end up influencing people who are uncomfortable or too new to photography/art to understand the technique (which like all photographic techniqes..have LOTS of variations that are all valid).

I sorta wish we could stay away from specific technique challenges. Many folks here are very new to photography and may have a hard time defining the proper uses of technique. I wish we could stay with more subject oriented challenges that allow all techniques to accomplish the challenge.



What he said. (Good one Hokie ' - )
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