Canon 30D - DPChallenge Forums

05/01/2005 12:51:27 PM · #1

Here is my guess for the 30D to replace the 20D, whenever it happens.
1. The sensor size and MP will stay the same. Afterall, they just invested in all the EF-S lenses. How much more than 8.2MP do you need? If you do, you probably will move to the D1s Mark II anyway. Nikon seems to have stopped their quest for more MP's as well since their D50 and D70s have not increased in MP size.
2. More fps and more buffer. Can't speed up start time as it is only 0.2 seconds anyway.
3. Size/weight. Probably slightly smaller and lighter, probably not by much though.
4. New battery? Will they switch like the XT? who knows.
5. Image Processing. Probably will rollout the DIGIC III and E-TTL III, just their marginal improvements as usual.
6. Price. Seeing as the improvements in technology is slowing down, the next thing to offer seems to be reduction in price. Just like Nikon D50 is undercutting the XT and the D1 is being offered with a whopping $500 rebate now that the new Nikon DH series is out. I'd guess street price reduction from about $1500 for the 20D to about $1250 for the 30D.
7. Bigger LCD, I'm starting to think 2 inch is the new minimum size, more resolution for the LCD Screen would be nice as well.

Message edited by author 2005-07-11 11:57:35.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70 f2.8 L IS

05/01/2005 01:23:45 PM · #2

The 10D shipped in Spring, 2003
The 20D shipped in Fall, 2004, about 18 months later.

I would not expect the "30D" replacement for the 20D "30D" until Spring, 2006. I'd expect the price to hold around the $1500 level, but market forces between now and then could change that.

In the meantime there is always the possibility of a 1.3-crop "tweener" camera to fit between the 1DMKII and the X0D series. There's a lot of market space in there. Though it is clear that the 1.6-crop cams will be with us for quite some time, it will be interesting to see if larger sensors migrate down-market. I certainly hope so.

07/11/2005 11:56:25 AM · #3

Fritz,
I hope you are right. Canon is already giving a rebate for the 20D and that's what they did with the Digital Rebel/300D before bringing out the 350XT.

Maybe x-mas will heavily discount the 20D and then next year in 2006, they will bring out the 30D.

I'm still holding onto my hopelist/predictions. If Nikon's direction is anything, they will be lower in price. Still haven't seen heard anything about a "tweener" between a 20D and a D1-MII (sorry Fritz).

I'm planning on holding onto my DR as a second unit so that I can carry two cameras and change lenses less often.

I'd be interested in what others think as well.

aavj

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

07/11/2005 03:11:31 PM · #4

Personally I hope the 30D doesn't lose too much weight in the design process...

A few months back I took a look at a 2nd hand Canon 10D at a shop in my usual way- picked it up, weighed it in my hand, tapped the body panels, squeezed it etc... Anyway - you get the idea. For me build quality and the materials used in construction is paramount - just one of those personal idiosyncrasies.

IMHO Canon has dropped their build quality from the 300D to the 350D, and did the same thing from the 10D to the 20D. The 20D is very well built indeed, but hasn't exactly the same feel as the 10D. According to some comments Canon did the same with the 20D Battery Grip - also not of the same quality as the grip for the 10D.

And I also hope they don't continue their trend of making the cameras smaller and smaller.

On the technical side, I think we'll probably see a decrease in noise at all ISO levels, since they have managed to keep the 20D's noise at the same level as that of the 10D, while packing more pixels into the same size sensor.

Some extra custom functions will also hit the spot.

As far as upgrading is concerned, I think that the best approach for most of us will be a leap-frog approach where you buy one model, then skip one model...

Brock

Canon PowerShot Pro1

07/11/2005 04:55:47 PM · #5

I want a dSLR but think I will do the leap frog thing and buy whatever replaces the 20D and then keep my Pro1 as a backup camera...since it is doing nearly everything I ask right now already...and I have confidence in its ability.

Prof_Fate

07/11/2005 04:56:19 PM · #6

Figure putting hte XT sensor in teh 30D - same MP but newer and probably made in house and for less money. also, can't see them making yet another sensor, unless it is 10 mp.

Figure the XT battery as well. Since hte XT size is somewhat controversial, i suspect the same size and less weight as the current 20D.

I want eye control focus! I know of no reason NOT to do it.

Better LCD (bigger maybe, better resolution probably).

But these thoughts are more centered around what they have been doing...what the competetion is doing or what canon thinks they will do are probably more indicators of what the next camera will be.

On the way out front...perhaps extended ISO (50-4000?) or extended dynamic range (like the sensor in the newer fujis) or perhaps 'film' settings so one can capture an image and it will look like velvia or portra or tri-x or ...

Something i doubt we'll see but we'd all like - a second thumb wheel like on the Nikons - one for ap and one for shutter speed.

GoldBerry

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

07/11/2005 04:56:53 PM · #7

are they actually naming it "30D"? Doesn't make sense considernig their first ever DSLR was the "D30".

07/11/2005 05:05:15 PM · #8

30D is just my guess, since they went from D(10/20/30) to 10/20 D.
As for the size, I hope that they keep it the same size or actually bigger. As for the battery, I hope they keep the older ones, as I've two of them now. ISO 50 would be nice as well. I really hope that Canon will follow others and go atleast 2 inch on the LCD. I'm not so sure about the extra pixels. I really don't want more than 8, eats through too many cards and not helpful unless you crop like crazy or make really large prints. On the viewfinder, how about adding lines to cover the rules of thirds like Nikon? That would really be nice.

My biggest hope is that the price drops to about $800 or so. Hey, we can all dream, can't we?

07/11/2005 05:21:30 PM · #9

With those upgrades I wouldn't consider buying it over a 20D... That is unless they fix all the ergonomical issues and make the grip nicer.

07/11/2005 05:25:30 PM · #10

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

are they actually naming it "30D"? Doesn't make sense considernig their first ever DSLR was the "D30".

No it wasn't.

Many people think that the new one will be called the 3D, but I think they'll go against it because it sounds like dimentions.

07/11/2005 05:27:28 PM · #11

ditto on the ergonomics.
Few days ago, I held the Nikon 2DX, man does that thing feel nice. Much nicer in hand than the D1 Mark II.
Shame on Canon...

07/11/2005 05:31:28 PM · #12

I don't know about you all but I don't like how cameras keep getting smaller and lighter. If it's getting lighter the build is probably suffering. Even my 1D feels small in my hands sometimes (much better than the 300D though), but I guess I have fingers that are too long :-/

ps: a lot of the reasons for these changes are because there are a lot more female photographers than before, and they need to accomidate for them. I guess everybody gets something that's not quite right, except for the lucky few, for them that way.

Message edited by author 2005-07-11 17:32:37.

Sonda

Sigma 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 Macro

07/11/2005 05:34:00 PM · #13

I hope the next model will have a more personalized name, like "Major Plup" or something. "20D" sounds too cold

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/11/2005 05:36:34 PM · #14

All that interests me would be a replacement of the present partial-meter with a true spot-meter. If a new 30D won't sport one, I'll continue to use my 10Ds. I never looked at the 20D either, for the same reason.

Rando D300

07/11/2005 05:42:12 PM · #15

A self cleaning sensor would be good reason for me to up grade .
I shoot with both the 20d and the Rebel just so I don't have to change the lens as often,and I still get dust on my sensors:(

photodude

07/11/2005 05:51:47 PM · #16

Please Canon God, let it have an eye controlled focus model like on your film SLR's. Those of us who have had that know how awesome that is.

07/11/2005 05:53:28 PM · #17

Originally posted by photodude:

Please Canon God, let it have an eye controlled focus model like on your film SLR's. Those of us who have had that know how awesome that is.

only if you can turn it off (and leave it off XD)!

photodude

07/11/2005 06:01:35 PM · #18

Eye control could be switched off in my Elan. In fact you could buy one without it in the first place.

That said... It works. If your shooting a static subject especially on a tripod its worthless but if your handholding and/or shooting moving targets its incredible

GoldBerry

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

07/11/2005 06:06:27 PM · #19

eye control? How do you mean?

07/11/2005 06:07:47 PM · #20

Originally posted by photodude:

But you can't check to see if your composition is good without looking at the rest of the frame and then changing the focus point?

theSaj

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

07/11/2005 06:09:38 PM · #21

30D will feature (my guesses)

- more PC connectivity, perhaps wireless
- larger LCD 2" ???
- sensor cleaning system (akin to Olympus)
- SD support
- Digic III
- 5.5 frames/second, maybe 6
- prolonged battery life
- lighter smaller, sturdier battery grip
- viewfinder switch

Uusilehto

Canon EOS-1D

Carl Zeiss 35mm f2.4 Jena/Flektogon MC

07/11/2005 06:18:37 PM · #22

split circle focusing screen, better build and automatic sensor cleaning.

'nuff said