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04/26/2005 10:05:40 PM · #1 |
Can anyone tell me the difference here besides price? I am just starting out with using the software to edit my pictures and am wondering which one is going to be easier to start out with?
I can get Digital Image Pro for around $40, opposed to PhotoShop at $160. Should I just start out with DIP and then get PhotoShop later?
Any suggestions or comments will help immensly!
~Kayla |
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04/26/2005 10:07:27 PM · #2 |
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04/26/2005 10:09:56 PM · #3 |
Photoshop @ $160.00 ??
CS2 is 599.99
Elements 3 is 99.99
Go with Elements for sure vs Microsoft. |
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04/26/2005 10:11:01 PM · #4 |
| I have no clue. Like I said I am just starting out and don't know a whole lot about any of it. I just saw that the cheapest PhotoShop was $160. |
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04/26/2005 10:13:30 PM · #5 |
| So what does the elements 3 have? |
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04/26/2005 10:15:41 PM · #6 |
That's probably for the upgrade from 7 to CS. You have to buy 7 at $600 first to buy the upgrade.
Look at photoshop Elements 3. It has Raw conversion and many of the features of Photoshop CS. I have Elements 2&3, Digital Pro, and Photoshop 6. I use Elements for the RAW conversion and 6 for any real editing I have to do. If you can swing Photoshop CS I would.
Digital Pro does have noise reduction which elements doesnt have but Elements is better at detail editing. I use neat image for noise reduction. The only reason I have Digital Pro is because I got it at Staples for $20.
Hope this helps!
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04/26/2005 10:16:15 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by kj10_hogs1:
So what does the elements 3 have? |
It's more what it doesn't have; which is some of the sophisticated controls we love so much in our gadgets. Particularly curves... You can get The GIMP for free, if it comes to that, and many swear it's the equal of Photoshop. Search the forums for it.
Robt.
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04/26/2005 10:16:44 PM · #8 |
You may have seen an upgrade price for Photshop CS2..
$100 dollars for Elements 3 is a bargain..
I also have Elements 1, that came with my cam that I have never used.
Your more than welcome to it. |
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04/26/2005 10:17:00 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by kj10_hogs1:
So what does the elements 3 have? |
You can use the 30 day trial offered at Adobe.com to test elements 3.
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04/26/2005 10:23:18 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by buzzrock:
You may have seen an upgrade price for Photshop CS2..
$100 dollars for Elements 3 is a bargain..
I also have Elements 1, that came with my cam that I have never used.
Your more than welcome to it. |
I think you can get Photoshop Elements 3 for about $79 at Costco.
Photoshop Elements @ Costco.com
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04/26/2005 10:25:02 PM · #11 |
Thank you guys so much! All of this really helps.
~Kayla |
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04/26/2005 10:31:04 PM · #12 |
The big difference is the Jargon...Tutes and Threads around here are Pretty much Photoshop, Gimp and the likes... One (I) can achieve the same results as Elements and Others with DIP and it is more human than Digital Technical Speak. It will do layers and all PS Filters (does not support actions), all the brushes (dodge/burn etc), magic lasso (edge finder), masks, Levels and Curves, Color and Saturation and on and on.
But DIP has some cool stuff that is easy and I didn't find in PS like Smart Erase which will remove things (I have removed things as big as people) and calculate and redraw the background. Other cool things in DIP are the 3rds rule crop and as simple as it sounds the Straighten feature. Remove spots/blemishes recently put in elements has been around since DIP 7.
It is all about where you want to go...if you plan on being a digital manipulator and being able to talk the talk go the photoshop (start with gimp it is free) route. Also if you plan on being employed in a digital darkroom this is a must as well.
If you want an easy program with very little learning curve (but can be a creative as you want) DIP is simple and fast to use. There are a couple that I know of on the site that use DIP. I have an unopened Elements and I only use the GIMP to scale pictures for this site, I use DIP because I can get the end result I want without having to know a third language. |
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04/26/2005 10:31:14 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
You can get The GIMP for free, if it comes to that, and many swear it's the equal of Photoshop. Search the forums for it.
Robt. |
I searched this and it came up with no hits. What is it? |
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04/26/2005 10:41:18 PM · #14 |
If you go to "forums" and type "GIMP" into search, then use the google link that pops up, you'll find many many hits there. Find GIMP itself at //www.gimp.org....
Robt.
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04/26/2005 10:47:50 PM · #15 |
I use Digital Image Pro (actually Digital Image Suite 10) and find it much easier to use than Photoshop Elements 3. I have both and ended up gravitating to DIP. It is has all the same power and some additional tools as described by awpollard. I guess it is all personal preference.
Now, if I had PS CS it might be a different story but that is $700.
I also use RAW Shooter Essentials to convert from RAW although I have Nikon Capture. Same reason, I find it easier to use.
Try them both and decide which is more intuitive for you.
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04/27/2005 09:58:51 PM · #16 |
Trying to find a imaging program that you like is tough. It's got to be easy to get into, but powerful enough to grow into. Here's my thoughts, for whatever they're worth:
If you even think you're eventually going to get the real Photoshop, forget everything else and get Elements 3.0. It can do some amazing things just like PS (especially if you add the free masks & curves that's out there) and, being a mini-Photoshop, is the best Photoshop training tool out there.
What else is out there?
Try this: //photo-editing-software-review.toptenreviews.com/
and this: //www.basic-digital-photography.com/top-5-beginner-photo-editors-for-windows.html
Gimp's already been mentioned, but there's also the new GIMPShop:
//blog.yumdap.net/archives/20-GIMPshop-for-Windows.html
Just for fun, here's a couple of cool free ones:
FastStone (Just a handy-dandy program to have.. handy!):
//www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm
Paint.NET (imagine MS Paint...on mega doses of steroids... with layers!):
//www.eecs.wsu.edu/paint.net/
Personally, my own recommendations for non-Photoshop programs: 1) Elements 3.0, 2) PaintShop Pro 9, 3) PhotoImpact 10. (Yes, I have all three).
Message edited by author 2005-04-27 22:07:21. |
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04/27/2005 10:06:12 PM · #17 |
I have both. I absolutely love microsoft image pro 9. The cloning feature works SO MUCH better than the healing brush in PS. The healing brush in ps tends to blur if you are cloning over a darker color. I do use PS a lot too, it has many features and actions that image pro 9 doesnt. I love them both. Save up and get them both :)
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04/27/2005 10:10:48 PM · #18 |
| No-one's mentioning Paint Shop Pro? |
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04/27/2005 10:18:42 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
It's more what it doesn't have; which is some of the sophisticated controls we love so much in our gadgets. Particularly curves... You can get The GIMP for free, if it comes to that, and many swear it's the equal of Photoshop. Search the forums for it. |
Yeah, unless you want to work with RAW files, then forget it. Photoshop reigns supreme. |
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04/27/2005 10:20:59 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by aerogurl:
I have both. I absolutely love microsoft image pro 9. The cloning feature works SO MUCH better than the healing brush in PS. The healing brush in ps tends to blur if you are cloning over a darker color. I do use PS a lot too, it has many features and actions that image pro 9 doesnt. I love them both. Save up and get them both :) |
If you like (still are on)DIP 9 you may want to check out DIP 10 as a lot has been added... Panorama stiching works great to start. Levels and curves have been changed to cover five curves—luminosity, red, green, blue and saturation, added Lighting and Exposure and White Balance/Color Warmth sliders. Noise Reduction sliders have also been added (it works but I still use NoiseWare)
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04/27/2005 10:56:37 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by awpollard:
Originally posted by aerogurl:
I have both. I absolutely love microsoft image pro 9. The cloning feature works SO MUCH better than the healing brush in PS. The healing brush in ps tends to blur if you are cloning over a darker color. I do use PS a lot too, it has many features and actions that image pro 9 doesnt. I love them both. Save up and get them both :) |
If you like (still are on)DIP 9 you may want to check out DIP 10 as a lot has been added... Panorama stiching works great to start. Levels and curves have been changed to cover five curves—luminosity, red, green, blue and saturation, added Lighting and Exposure and White Balance/Color Warmth sliders. Noise Reduction sliders have also been added (it works but I still use NoiseWare) |
i usually wait a version or two away before i switch, but if its that many new features i will check it out asap!! thanks!!
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