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 04/18/2005 12:21:50 AM · #1


I was slightly dissappointed with the overall response to my entry but i didnt expect that so many people to give it a 1... It was a different interpretation and response to the challenge and in many ways goes to show that thinking outside the box isnt really appreciated here on dpc. I would really appreciate it if people could please look at my photo (again) for at least 20 seconds and try to find the deeper meaning to it. Thanks,

Nick
 04/18/2005 12:23:49 AM · #2
I am surprised that you only got 15 ones. I personally don't think you even got close to what the challange was.
 04/18/2005 12:28:47 AM · #3
"Take a shot that exemplifies extreme action with or without motion blur. And, as always, composition should be a major consideration."

Extreme -
- Being in or attaining the greatest or highest degree; very intense
- Extending far beyond the norm
- Of the greatest severity; drastic

Action -
- The state or process of acting or doing
- Something done or accomplished; a deed
- The causation of change by the exertion of power or a natural process
(etc...)


04/18/2005 12:31:44 AM · #4
Originally posted by nico_blue:
I was slightly dissappointed with the overall response to my entry but i didnt expect that so many people to give it a 1... It was a different interpretation and response to the challenge and in many ways goes to show that thinking outside the box isnt really appreciated here on dpc. I would really appreciate it if people could please look at my photo (again) for at least 20 seconds and try to find the deeper meaning to it. Thanks,

Nick


I'm always confused by those that say in their photographers comments that they don't expect a shot to do well then express dissapointment after the challenge ends because a shot didn't do well... If you liked it, that's all that really matters...
 04/18/2005 12:33:37 AM · #5
Originally posted by gwphoto:
I am surprised that you only got 15 ones. I personally don't think you even got close to what the challange was.


While I admit that I haven't read every one of your posts, I've seen a lot of them, and I don't recall many of them being remotely positive.

But anyway......

I like the pic, nico......it doesn't surprise me that it was voted low....but I like it.

Message edited by author 2005-04-18 00:35:42.
 04/18/2005 12:34:29 AM · #6
Ok, I looked, I read your explanation, I looked again, and I thought deeply.

I then decided that - had I voted on it - I would have given it a 1 or possibly a 2 (as a morale booster).

I can not find anything I like or anything that interests me in any way.
Just because you manage to somehow link a dictionary definition with an image, doesn't mean it is good.

I am sorry - not that I had to be negative, but that I could find nothing positive to say this time :-(
 04/18/2005 12:34:59 AM · #7
Originally posted by nico_blue:
"Take a shot that exemplifies extreme action with or without motion blur. And, as always, composition should be a major consideration."

Extreme -
- Being in or attaining the greatest or highest degree; very intense
- Extending far beyond the norm
- Of the greatest severity; drastic

Action -
- The state or process of acting or doing
- Something done or accomplished; a deed
- The causation of change by the exertion of power or a natural process
(etc...)


So what is the action, someone shaking their head or your camaera movement? Sorry I just don't get it.
 04/18/2005 12:47:43 AM · #8
Originally posted by gwphoto:

So what is the action, someone shaking their head or your camaera movement? Sorry I just don't get it.


I was trying to convey a combination of motion with conflicting emotional state. I guess in some ways I failed as an artist because my intentions did not carry across clearly in the work. But thats why we are all here, to get better, right?

I appreciate the discussion and feedback.
 04/18/2005 12:52:11 AM · #9
Originally posted by nico_blue:
Originally posted by gwphoto:

So what is the action, someone shaking their head or your camaera movement? Sorry I just don't get it.


I was trying to convey a combination of motion with conflicting emotional state. I guess in some ways I failed as an artist because my intentions did not carry across clearly in the work. But thats why we are all here, to get better, right?

I appreciate the discussion and feedback.


I think it conveys insanity perfectly....but the problem, I think, is that people were looking for a shot of extreme sports action, not action that conveys an extreme mental state.
 04/18/2005 12:54:39 AM · #10
Originally posted by nico_blue:
Originally posted by gwphoto:

So what is the action, someone shaking their head or your camaera movement? Sorry I just don't get it.


I was trying to convey a combination of motion with conflicting emotional state. I guess in some ways I failed as an artist because my intentions did not carry across clearly in the work. But thats why we are all here, to get better, right?

I appreciate the discussion and feedback.


Nico - I respect your last post. I think everyone gave you good feedback, in this thread, in a positive way and you gracefully accepted it with no ranting or raving. Thanks we need more of this in threads where people are not happy or understand the 1's.

EDIT: BTW I did vote and scored it a 5. In some way I did get what you were trying to say.

Message edited by author 2005-04-18 00:56:57.
 04/18/2005 12:56:29 AM · #11
I didn't hate it and I did somewhat 'get it'. I just wasn't that impressed by it - conceptually or photographically. I gave it a 5.

I agree with TooCool in being confused as to why when someone enters a pic they don't think will do well, doesn't. You got an overall 4.534 - that should be more encouraging to you than disappointing.
 04/18/2005 01:07:46 AM · #12
Originally posted by kpriest:
I didn't hate it and I did somewhat 'get it'. I just wasn't that impressed by it - conceptually or photographically. I gave it a 5.

I agree with TooCool in being confused as to why when someone enters a pic they don't think will do well, doesn't. You got an overall 4.534 - that should be more encouraging to you than disappointing.


I am not dissappointed in the score, I wasnt expecting anything high...

The thing that really struck me was the number of 1s and 2s. I am trying to understand why so many people 'hated' my entry.
04/18/2005 02:12:59 AM · #13
Originally posted by nico_blue:
The thing that really struck me was the number of 1s and 2s. I am trying to understand why so many people 'hated' my entry.


Oh jeez Nico. Look at the majority of the top ten placers in any challenge and you'll see around 10 or more 1's, 2's and 3's. One thing that might hurt shots like yours is that it seems like some people enter shots that seem like they were done by some stoned kid who thought it would be funny to enter an obvious crappy photo that doesn't remotely have anything to do with the challenge and he laughs and tells his buddy "Now watch all these guys say how great it is and what artistic genius I have." And they both crack up between bong hits as their predictions come true. Of course because it is "art" there is no way to discern between some of those and some real thoughtful efforts such as yours without spending some time looking and thinking - time most people don't have to spend on hundreds of photos.

What strikes me about your photo is how many 7's and above you got, including 5 10's! It's just one of those creations that some will 'get' and some won't.

..oh, last thing - I could be wrong, but your title has a typo in it unless that is some French word, but it should probably have read "On the verge of sanity. That sort of mistake (or even perceived mistake) can make the entry look even more suspect as to it's sincerity.

Hope this is helpful.
 04/18/2005 05:25:54 AM · #14
Originally posted by sfboatright:

I think it conveys insanity perfectly....but the problem, I think, is that people were looking for a shot of extreme sports action, not action that conveys an extreme mental state.


Of course, 4th, 11th, 15th and 18th place aren't "sports" shots, yet they made the top 20. So maybe it's not the sports aspect that the voters were looking at, although I would think sports myself when considering this challenge, even though it wasn't mentioned in its description.
 04/18/2005 05:32:21 AM · #15
I think most members are aware that images that deal with controversial subject matter will not score well here.

04/18/2005 06:33:27 AM · #16
I think it's an excellent shot and you should be very proud

Steve
 04/18/2005 07:33:49 AM · #17
I blame it all on this new fangled "extreme voting" craze that all the kids are into nowadays.

; )

And what Tallbloke said.
 04/18/2005 09:57:15 AM · #18
Originally posted by nico_blue:
I was slightly dissappointed with the overall response to my entry but i didnt expect that so many people to give it a 1... It was a different interpretation and response to the challenge and in many ways goes to show that thinking outside the box isnt really appreciated here on dpc. I would really appreciate it if people could please look at my photo (again) for at least 20 seconds and try to find the deeper meaning to it. Thanks,

Nick


A couple of things in your post that I'm not sure I agree with.

I think that "thinking outside the box" is encouraged and appreciated here. Perhaps too much. I often feel that the attention paid to "thinking outside the box" takes attention away from learning to do high quality photography. And wasn't your Sex Sells pretty "outside the box" in the Stock Photography II challenge? At 6.982 I'd say it was very well appreciated.

You request that people look again to find the "deeper meaning". This assumes that they haven't already given it a thorough look, and that they have missed something. I suspect that for some voters, some of the 26 who gave ones and twos, they looked and just didn't see any deeper meaning in the shot. More mainstream type shots will reach more of the audience.
04/18/2005 10:40:04 AM · #19
I gave it a 5, and on review I wouldn't change that. I did think that you met the challenge in a creative manner, but the image doesn't completely work for me. I think it's the absence of a clear point of focus. While I don't think every photo needs one, I think this one would benefit from a more clearly-defined focal point.

Edit:
From a purely statistical point of view, remember that if the voting distribution pushes up against either end of the scale, the vote total on the end value usually reflects the votes that would have fallen outside the scale, in addition to the votes that would have normally been assigned that value.

Message edited by author 2005-04-18 10:43:12.
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