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04/09/2005 07:57:19 PM · #1 |
Hey everyone,
I just got my new 20D and i'm really digging it. But i got a slight problem. I purchased the thing from B&H and i'm a bit worried. It seems the camera is 'Used' or 'refurbished'. Also, i seem to see most of the pics as 'blurry'. Anyone can help me out?
I'm far away from home, on a low-hand computer without PS or any kind of .RAW file viewer i can use at the moment. I need your eyes to tell me if things look good or not.
Here are 3 pics taken in high quality jpeg, using the canon 50mm 1.8 I reduced the size to 1200x800 but didn't reduce the compression. Looks ok?
Other problem i have at the moment, is that the file count of the 20D is of 6550+ and counting. That tells me the camera is quite used (6400 shots before it touched my hands). But is it possible my flashcard kept counts when i used my friend's 10D, which is used...? I'd hate to have gotten a refurb. from B&H....
With the package, i got the Canon 70-200 2.8 IS, the 50mm 1.8 and the super*cough* 18-55. All lens are perfect quality and NIB. I'm just worried about the camera itself... over paranoid perharps?
Message edited by author 2005-04-09 20:02:24. |
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04/09/2005 08:54:38 PM · #2 |
they dont look blurry on my screen
did the cam on b&H say it was used? they are good with returns
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04/09/2005 09:47:55 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by RedOak:
Other problem i have at the moment, is that the file count of the 20D is of 6550+ and counting. That tells me the camera is quite used (6400 shots before it touched my hands). But is it possible my flashcard kept counts when i used my friend's 10D, which is used...? I'd hate to have gotten a refurb. from B&H....
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Putting your CF card into another camera will take on the count of the camera it is in. When I was experimenting at a camera store, my new 20D that had only 100 shots when I went to the store, was reading 8000 photos taken, after I returned from the store. I'll bet if you check your friends count, it's going to be in the 6400 range. |
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04/09/2005 09:56:43 PM · #4 |
They don't look blurry to me, either. They look good. Is that the kit lens? I'm going to have to get it out and give it another try.
The same thing happened to me with the count. I bought it from a camera store and we tried it out using a cf card from the store. The numbers didn't match up at all with the shots taken. |
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04/09/2005 10:00:38 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by ReallyColorBlind:
Originally posted by RedOak:
Other problem i have at the moment, is that the file count of the 20D is of 6550+ and counting. That tells me the camera is quite used (6400 shots before it touched my hands). But is it possible my flashcard kept counts when i used my friend's 10D, which is used...? I'd hate to have gotten a refurb. from B&H....
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Putting your CF card into another camera will take on the count of the camera it is in. When I was experimenting at a camera store, my new 20D that had only 100 shots when I went to the store, was reading 8000 photos taken, after I returned from the store. I'll bet if you check your friends count, it's going to be in the 6400 range. |
I don't believe this to be true. I switch my cards between my Rebel and my Canon S1 all the time. Both counts are independent.
Also, if it were true, then erasing the files on the card and inserting them into the camera would zero the count. It doesn't.
If you have your camera set to count cumulative shots, the memory is in camera, not on the CF card. I am not looking this up on the web, though I could, but I'm pretty sure about it. |
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04/09/2005 10:00:58 PM · #6 |
| Looks like shallow dof to me. |
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04/10/2005 11:02:22 AM · #7 |
So nshapiro, are you saying my camera did have a 6500+ count when i took it out of the box? That would mean its quite used... I'd like to be sure, because the camera feels new.
Another thing that bugged me is that the 'memory' battery (watch battery) used to remember time and date, was already installed. Is that standard?
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04/10/2005 11:03:59 AM · #8 |
| Reformat the card and take some shots, then see what numbers you get. |
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04/10/2005 11:43:15 AM · #9 |
In some condition (as the folder and file numbering is also stored on CF cards) the 20D takes the count from the card. I have not managed to understand how this works, but it does. Nobody said, the file numbering is taken from the files stored on the card.
Also, date and time battery is pre-installed in every 20D I've seen so far. Do not worry about it until date and time are not kept by the camera while main battery is out.
Message edited by author 2005-04-10 11:44:20. |
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04/10/2005 11:48:54 AM · #10 |
I don't see how it's possible for cumulative shots data to be carried by the card, that's ridiculous. If this were true, every time you switched crads in a shoot the numbers would stop being consistent with reality.
Robt.
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04/10/2005 11:59:13 AM · #11 |
If you are very ambitiosus you may look for DCIM standard, and you'll see there is much to it than some numbered files on cards... :)
As for you don't believe it, this is your problem. I've seen it happen, more than one time, I just did not have time to investigate.
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04/10/2005 12:22:21 PM · #12 |
| I used a new 20D with a card from my Rebel without reformatting and it picked up exactly where the Rebel left off, so it CAN happen. |
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04/10/2005 12:25:11 PM · #13 |
My cards are ALL still on the same numbering pattern from the Rebel, even AFTER formatting and switching to the 10D. Explain that one! ;o)
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04/10/2005 12:29:59 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
I don't see how it's possible for cumulative shots data to be carried by the card, that's ridiculous. If this were true, every time you switched crads in a shoot the numbers would stop being consistent with reality.
Robt. |
Its true... if he loaded a card that had been shot with another 10d, the new 10d would have picked up the file numbering. Formatting the CF card doesn't remove that part of the info carried on the card. |
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04/10/2005 12:33:20 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Formatting the CF card doesn't remove that part of the info carried on the card. |
OK, so is there a way to remove it? Nevermind... it's fairly obvious. Set your camera so images AREN'T numbered continuously, then reformat the card and take a shot. Set your camera back to sequential numbering and you'll be at 0002.
Message edited by author 2005-04-10 12:34:57. |
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04/10/2005 01:30:02 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
I don't see how it's possible for cumulative shots data to be carried by the card, that's ridiculous. If this were true, every time you switched crads in a shoot the numbers would stop being consistent with reality.
Robt. |
I've seen this happen though. I have a G3, and I lent a CF card to a friend with a G2. When I got the card back, I formatted it, but my image count started where his left off. I don't understand the logic behind this, but it was pretty frustrating.
The way I got the count back was to copy the last images I had taken onto the card, and put that card in my camera and take a shot. It was fine after that.
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04/10/2005 01:40:56 PM · #17 |
In my 20D manual, it says "There are two file numbering methods: [Continuous] and [Auto reset]." The first depends on the camera, the second depends on what files are already on the CF card. Look for "File No" in the index.
James |
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04/10/2005 02:17:53 PM · #18 |
Are you using the camera or the pc to format?
When you use the camera to format the card, the settings you're all refering to would stay simple because the camera reads and remembers them before erasing the other data. However, if you are using the pc to format the card, then the camera for folders etc. you wouldn't have any problems.
I would try formatting with your pc after changing cameras. I wouldn't, however, if you are just using the same camera
I.E. It's my understanding that you put the card, which was used for another canon camera into the 20D and the count was the same even after using the cameras format option? If so I could understand why the 20D would capture the sequence from the other camera before deleting the data. Hope that helps.
Message edited by author 2005-04-10 14:18:55. |
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04/10/2005 02:49:01 PM · #19 |
| It is my understanding that when you format your card in the camera all it does is delete the reference to the picture file not the file itself. The file will remain on the card until it is writen over again. |
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04/10/2005 03:34:33 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by bear_music:
I don't see how it's possible for cumulative shots data to be carried by the card, that's ridiculous. If this were true, every time you switched crads in a shoot the numbers would stop being consistent with reality.
Robt. |
Its true... if he loaded a card that had been shot with another 10d, the new 10d would have picked up the file numbering. Formatting the CF card doesn't remove that part of the info carried on the card. |
Not only do I switch cards between cameras, I have 4 CF cards. How would the camera keep a sequential count while alternating between them. |
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04/10/2005 03:44:00 PM · #21 |
I should add that with my G2, we accidentally reset the count once. I asked Canon support for help, and was told the only way to get the count back to where it was was to use the shutter and snap off that many dummy shots. Which I did.
So here's an experiment for the true believers that your card carries your sequence number.
Take some pictures. Remove your card. Reset the count in the camera using the menus. Stick your card back in and take some pictures. Does the count resume, or are you still at the reset count.
Don't try this if you value your count. I believe you will be back to 0.
Message edited by author 2005-04-10 15:48:53. |
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04/10/2005 03:52:05 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
I should add that with my G2, we accidentally reset the count once. I asked Canon support for help, and was told the only way to get the count back to where it was was to use the shutter and snap off that many dummy shots. Which I did. |
I might be wrong but I dont think thats good for the camera... doesnt the shutter have a limited shot span?
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04/10/2005 03:57:41 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by nico_blue:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
I should add that with my G2, we accidentally reset the count once. I asked Canon support for help, and was told the only way to get the count back to where it was was to use the shutter and snap off that many dummy shots. Which I did. |
I might be wrong but I dont think thats good for the camera... doesnt the shutter have a limited shot span? |
Yes, but when I did that, I wasn't thinking about that ;)
And the cameras dead now. But it's not the shutter that died, it was the lens protrusion mechanism (when the camera is turned on/off.)
One thought about the count. It is feasible that from a zero count, the newer cameras are programmed to pick up a count on a CF card--to accomplish exactly what I tried to do above. But this simply cannot be the case when the counter is not zero (at least in my Rebel and S1). Otherwise, switching cards would cause the count to go batty. |
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04/10/2005 04:43:18 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Nordlys:
In my 20D manual, it says "There are two file numbering methods: [Continuous] and [Auto reset]." The first depends on the camera, the second depends on what files are already on the CF card. Look for "File No" in the index.
James |
Well I just looked in an online 20D manual, and that's not what I see on page 21. It says:
"Continuous
The file numbering continues in sequence even after you replace the CF card. This prevents images from having the same file number, so image management with a personal computer is easier."
It doesn't say anything about using the card to maintain that numbering or continuing the numbering per the card.
On the other hand, there must be some explanation for the stories about file numbers being picked up. There must be some condition which causes it to happen.
I did this test on my Rebel:
Two CF cards, A and B
Take a picture with A, 216-1676
Insert Card B, picture was 216-1677
Insert Card A, picture was 216-1678
If the count is from the card, why wasn't the last shot labeled 216-1677 (repeating the number it just used on "B")
Again, not doubting the stories, but it's not as simple as picking up whatever numbers on the card. |
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04/10/2005 07:48:24 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by RedOak:
Here are 3 pics taken in high quality jpeg, using the canon 50mm 1.8 |
Well, that lense is pretty sharp but not the sharpest around especially since it looks you shot with it wide opened.
Try taking a similar shot with that 70-200 of yours ;)
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