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04/06/2005 03:45:43 AM · #1 |
| Is it just me, or was there an inordinate amount of under-sized photos? Also - not sure if we are allowed to talk about a specific photo (someone chime in if I overstep) - but there was one photo in the group that was really disturbing. Anyone know what I'm talking about? |
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04/06/2005 03:48:55 AM · #2 |
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04/06/2005 03:52:33 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by sprite777:
which one was that? |
Hehehe, well, simply saying you found one of the photos disturbing doesn't really offend dpc convention - but if you answered that question it would definately be frowned upon :). |
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04/06/2005 03:56:05 AM · #4 |
Ok. I'll wait for the post-challenge discussions.
What about the overall qulaity of shots? Worse than normal? I think I dropped my "Average Score Given" by a full point or so. Must be the challenge itself - not very intersting really. |
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04/06/2005 03:57:59 AM · #5 |
| I guess I found that photo....too bad I cannot say which is it...but it is very disturbing.....at least the one I found. |
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04/06/2005 03:58:12 AM · #6 |
I think we should discuss individual photographs only after voting is over. It might influence voting on a photo in an unfair way.
Edit: Man, I'm slow...
Message edited by author 2005-04-06 03:58:34.
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04/06/2005 04:00:31 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Ok. I'll wait for the post-challenge discussions.
What about the overall qulaity of shots? Worse than normal? I think I dropped my "Average Score Given" by a full point or so. Must be the challenge itself - not very intersting really. |
Not the greatest challenge that I have seen and yes one image is.....well......probably the less said about it the better. |
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04/06/2005 04:01:04 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Ok. I'll wait for the post-challenge discussions.
What about the overall qulaity of shots? Worse than normal? I think I dropped my "Average Score Given" by a full point or so. Must be the challenge itself - not very intersting really. |
I agree. Some letters are used way more than others, which is fine, but it seems like they all had the same exact idea...
I'm thinking that creativity is something people don't realize is crucial in these challenges. |
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04/06/2005 04:10:51 AM · #9 |
An interesting observation: there was a consensus in another thread that the least-used letter would be "Q", and yet I see MANY Q's in this challenge. makes me wonder if maybe people actually DO read these threads, and the howling masses ran out in search of Q's to stand out? Kinda ironic, if so...
No surprise that there's a HUGE number of X's, O's, T's and V's...
Robt.
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04/06/2005 04:12:57 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Is it just me, or was there an inordinate amount of under-sized photos? Also - not sure if we are allowed to talk about a specific photo (someone chime in if I overstep) - but there was one photo in the group that was really disturbing. Anyone know what I'm talking about? |
I guess I know what photo you are talking about. I agree. Not sure if there are rules about this ...
Message edited by author 2005-04-06 04:15:53. |
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04/06/2005 04:18:26 AM · #11 |
| I've only been a member for six months or so and that's not the first one of its kind. I recall another that prompted much discussion - and much attention - which seems to be what the goal is. |
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04/06/2005 04:21:03 AM · #12 |
It's REALLY better not to be talking this way, there's only one image in the challenge to which this commentary can reasonably be appended, and it is doing a disservice to the photographer to comment in this way on the image IMO.
Robt.
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04/06/2005 04:42:30 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
It's REALLY better not to be talking this way, there's only one image in the challenge to which this commentary can reasonably be appended, and it is doing a disservice to the photographer to comment in this way on the image IMO.
Robt. |
Ok. I'm sorry. Nuff said. |
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04/06/2005 06:17:46 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Originally posted by bear_music:
It's REALLY better not to be talking this way, there's only one image in the challenge to which this commentary can reasonably be appended, and it is doing a disservice to the photographer to comment in this way on the image IMO.
Robt. |
Ok. I'm sorry. Nuff said. |
Nuff said maybe, but it's enough for me to hold back being a paying member for a while. My children like to look at the photos while I vote!! Thank God I looked at this at work first. |
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04/06/2005 06:35:06 AM · #15 |
I haven't started voting yet. If you think an image is beyond the limits of good taste you can request a DQ on the grounds that it violates the Terms of Service. I think that would be a more appropriate course of action than discussing it in the forums, or threatening to withhold joining.
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04/06/2005 06:47:26 AM · #16 |
Perhaps that photo doesn't meet the challenge?
Very simple. Request a DQ.
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04/06/2005 06:58:12 AM · #17 |
You can't dq a photo because it doesn't meet the challenge. Only if it doesn't fit the editing rules ;)
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04/06/2005 07:29:08 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Zoomdak:
You can't dq a photo because it doesn't meet the challenge. Only if it doesn't fit the editing rules ;) |
In the basic editing rules it states that:
Subject matter must comply with the DPChallenge Terms of Use.
In the TOS is says:
4.1 Generally, you must use the DPChallenge.com Service in a manner that demonstrates good taste and respect for the rights of DPChallenge.com and third parties.
It could be argued that the image does not demonstrate good taste and is therefore in violation of the TOS. On those grounds the image could get a dq. If it was decided to dq the image in question, however, the issue of censorship would be worth discussing, and of course the whole issue of "what is good taste".
Message edited by author 2005-04-06 07:29:44. |
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04/06/2005 08:01:42 AM · #19 |
"good taste" is, of course, subjective, but I think anytime someone submits an image whose obvious intent is to shock/disturb/upset, or otherwise cause the viewers to question whether a violent or criminal act has occurred, -- and clearly has no relationship to the challenge theme, -- that image has no place here (IMHO).
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04/06/2005 08:17:39 AM · #20 |
A friend of mine took this picture which kicked off a major debate here in NYC and I guess worldwide.
Mayor Rudy Guiliani, took on the art world and public funding for the arts Yo Mamma's Last Suppera few year back trying to define "what is art?" and "what is good taste?". Which I saw more as a question about public funding than an art question but still a fair debate. I also thought people over reacted, completely. It was a lot of fun though.
She made millions (well.. a lot of money) over the controversy and all over a photo that was taken years back and practically, forgotten about.
It's very strange territory and here we are.
It's also tough to grapple with the topic not being able to discuss the image in question.
What a conundrum?
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04/06/2005 08:49:45 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
"good taste" is, of course, subjective, but I think anytime someone submits an image whose obvious intent is to shock/disturb/upset, or otherwise cause the viewers to question whether a violent or criminal act has occurred, -- and clearly has no relationship to the challenge theme, -- that image has no place here (IMHO). |
sorry, len, but i disagree wholeheartedly with this, and with those considering this a TOS violation. the TOS is basically to keep it legal (no porn, etc). however, beyond that, photography is much to broad to keep it limited to flowers, puppies, and sunsets. i don't enjoy over the edge type of stuff, but it does have its place here. i simply choose not to look at it. i spend a lot of time with my kids here, looking through the galleries; when we come across something of this ilk, we just move on. just because we don't like it doesn't mean that the site should conform to our taste. |
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04/06/2005 09:14:20 AM · #22 |
I don't know what all the controversy is about. I really like the picture of the boobs from above! ;-)
Seriously though, that other one is quite disturbing. |
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04/06/2005 09:22:00 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
sorry, len, but i disagree wholeheartedly with this, and with those considering this a TOS violation. the TOS is basically to keep it legal (no porn, etc). however, beyond that, photography is much to broad to keep it limited to flowers, puppies, and sunsets. i don't enjoy over the edge type of stuff, but it does have its place here. i simply choose not to look at it. i spend a lot of time with my kids here, looking through the galleries; when we come across something of this ilk, we just move on. just because we don't like it doesn't mean that the site should conform to our taste. |
The Good Taste clause is in the ToS for a reason. And it's not just to cover porn, there is another clause for that. If, as a community, we are not able to determine what is, and is not, within our own standards of good taste -- then we are just wimping out on the issue. If we are not willing to make a decision in the face of controversary, then we have no standards at all. Do you think the ToS means anything that is not against the law must be considered as within the bounds of good taste?
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04/06/2005 09:25:23 AM · #24 |
Probably just somebody going for the brown ribbon - seems like a quirky fun thing to do... ;^)
I haven't started voting yet so I can't speak for any photo you may be talking about...just theorizing. Keep having fun!
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04/06/2005 09:28:24 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
"good taste" is, of course, subjective, but I think anytime someone submits an image whose obvious intent is to shock/disturb/upset, or otherwise cause the viewers to question whether a violent or criminal act has occurred, -- and clearly has no relationship to the challenge theme, -- that image has no place here (IMHO). |
sorry, len, but i disagree wholeheartedly with this, and with those considering this a TOS violation. the TOS is basically to keep it legal (no porn, etc). however, beyond that, photography is much to broad to keep it limited to flowers, puppies, and sunsets. i don't enjoy over the edge type of stuff, but it does have its place here. i simply choose not to look at it. i spend a lot of time with my kids here, looking through the galleries; when we come across something of this ilk, we just move on. just because we don't like it doesn't mean that the site should conform to our taste. |
Skip, I understand your perspective. ...And I don't consider myself to be a prude. Photographic art, to me, is another means of communication, of making a statement that may be difficult or impossible to express in words. And, anything goes - almost - but not anywhere. I think there are some images that do not have a place here. (I know, it's not up to me, ...)
It just appears that some images are submitted with an agenda that's not only completely irrelevant to the challenge (that's certainly acceptable - I don't like it, but can live with it), ...but also have a clear *sinister* intent. That bothers me. They're using (=hijacking) a platform to make a statement or present an image that has nothing to do with the theme and can have little effect other than to disturb or even harm the psyches of innocent viewers (esp. children).
Maybe I misunderstand art, but to me a work of art (painting, photo, sculpture, etc.) is presented in a venue. I don't think that "anything goes" anywhere.
Message edited by author 2005-04-06 09:29:14. |
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