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03/24/2005 02:03:19 AM · #1 |
Right now I have an Olympus c750 and Im just geting tired of it. When I bought the camera I wasnt planing on doing any real phtography and now that i'm more interested in photography i've realized the vast limitations of my camera. I mean my camera takes descent photos, but i'd like to have more control over it. The auto focus is soo slow and at night time on long exposer there are hot pixels like crazy. So basically ive been looking at the D70 because several of my friends have them and they seem to function very well. Ive looked at several other cameras in the $1000 price range, like the Olympus E300, but they just dont even compare to the D70.
Im wondering if anyone has any opinions on what SLR I should buy for around $1000 ,because right now im stuck on the D70. Just wanted to know my other options. |
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03/24/2005 02:05:16 AM · #2 |
There are no other options. Fate has taken over.
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03/24/2005 02:09:47 AM · #3 |
you can look at Canon 300D and Canon 350D
but after buying a SLR body, you will have to invest more in lenses |
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03/24/2005 02:19:29 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Hardcore Poser:
Im wondering if anyone has any opinions on what SLR I should buy for around $1000 ,because right now im stuck on the D70. Just wanted to know my other options. |
I would recommend the D70. Until the end of the month there is a $200.00 rebate on the "Outfit" which includes the Nikkor DX AF-S 18-70mm F3.5-4.5 G ED lens. An excellent lens and worth the $100.00 more (after rebate) it costs for the camera body alone. I got the outfit, at $1199.00 and have sent in the rebate forms for my $200.00 back. I've only had it a couple of weeks, but am really happy with it. You can probably find it a bit cheaper online, but I went with a local camera store. |
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03/24/2005 02:54:40 AM · #5 |
Anyone who is interested in photography and owns the D70 will definitely recommend it. It's love at first touch and it grows on you from there on. That said, this a fortunate time for a budget SLR buyer as you are spoiled for choice: Nikon D70, Canon EOS 350D, Pentax *ist DS ....
I would venture to say that if you own any of these and can't produce excellent photos, the fault is with you and not the camera. If you have an opportunity to handle these cameras in a store and find out how they feel in your hand, I think that is the way to go, because it is the one you are comfortable with that you will use most effectively.
...my 2 cents. |
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03/24/2005 07:54:50 AM · #6 |
The Olympus E-300 is an entry level DSLR that, ironically, has a feature --it's Supersonic Wave Filter for cleaning dust from the camera's sensor-- that can only be fully appreciated by someone who has used an interchangeable lens camera in the past.
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03/24/2005 08:14:08 AM · #7 |
People here can be quite biased (including myself) about what they own so you might not get the fairest opinion. Canon people will say Canon and Nikon people will say Nikon and ultimately it's a silly debate. Canon and Nikon both have world class system and deliver world class glass.
You'll pretty much get what you pay for incrementally. $850, $999, $1,299, $3,999 are all worth what you pay and each seems to be incrementally/exponentially better. Litterally, tit for tat.
It's my belief that anyone who knows what they want to accomplish and knows how to get those effects with a DSLR will get the same results whether they have a 300D, 350, D70, 20D or a Mark whateverrrrrr in their hands. They are ALL good cameras and anyone who knocks one particular camera or system is a knucklehead. Don't go by that junk.
Read the reviews, hold a few in your hands and check your budget. For me ergonomics was the primary factor in my choice and I like my camera for that reason.
Good luck! |
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03/24/2005 08:14:48 AM · #8 |
Go get the D70. I have no experience with it but by all accounts it´s very good and although I am a "Canonite" if I were in your shoes I wouldn´t think twice about it.
There is a very good reason for you to not consider other brands like the Olympus E-300 or a Canon rebel. That reason is since you have a lot of friends who also have the D70 you can "share" accessories with them like lenses or flashes for example. |
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03/24/2005 08:19:59 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by larus:
Go get the D70. I have no experience with it but by all accounts it´s very good and although I am a "Canonite" if I were in your shoes I wouldn´t think twice about it. |
Larus-I applaude your fair voice. Good sound advice. Very refreshing. |
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03/24/2005 08:32:45 AM · #10 |
DONT get the d70 just beacuse all your friends have it. get the 350d. Much more capable camera. Just go out shooting with them -- it'll be like a competition for you -- always making you want to do have that one photo that's a bit better than theirs. Plus, once you get more serious, you can get a higher end camera (you'll already have some canon glass) and everyone knows canon wins in that department too. ;-) cheers.
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03/24/2005 08:42:27 AM · #11 |
i also used to have the c750, and didnt plan on going seriously into photography either, 6 months after having it i got the SLR itch and next thing i know i sold my c750 and had a 300d in my hands and have been happy ever since. but now that im working again... perhaps a 20d will be arriving at my door one day.
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03/24/2005 08:44:19 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by deapee:
DONT get the d70 just beacuse all your friends have it. get the 350d. Much more capable camera. Just go out shooting with them -- it'll be like a competition for you -- always making you want to do have that one photo that's a bit better than theirs. Plus, once you get more serious, you can get a higher end camera (you'll already have some canon glass) and everyone knows canon wins in that department too. ;-) cheers. |
Puuuhhhlllleeeeeeze... Canon vs. Nikon is like debating wether Coke or Pepsi is better. Both cameras are very good and yes, I pretty much imagine the 350D is better but it´s hardly a day and night difference. Just to be clear, I personally wouldn´t touch anything unless it had "Canon" written on it somewhere but that´s just me. When I started to think about getting a DSLR I just looked at what most people around me are using. Here in Iceland Canon has a vast superiorty of users and Canon cameras and lenses are just a little bit cheaper than their Nikon equivalents. Also since so many use Canon here it´s much easier to buy and sell used equipment and to borrow from friends so it was a pretty much no brainer.
Go for the D70, I can´t emphasize how important it can be to have your friends be able to lend you equipment and advice. |
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03/24/2005 08:44:45 AM · #13 |
I just upgraded from my Olympus c-770 to the Cannon 350D and I could not be happier.
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03/24/2005 08:45:16 AM · #14 |
| The d70 rocks dont consider anything else |
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03/24/2005 09:13:09 AM · #15 |
I agree with pawdrix
"Read the reviews, hold a few in your hands and check your budget."
Go to your camera store, a few times... hold each one in your hands... take a cf card and see if they'll let you take pictures of something on the counter... see what camera YOU like best... I think everyone who owns a DSLR likes their camera for whatever reason.
Message edited by author 2005-03-24 09:13:37. |
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03/24/2005 09:29:02 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
There are no other options. Fate has taken over. |
Fate here = The Canon Digital Rebel 350XT - with lens is $999 (or less) and the body only is $899 or less.
The D70 is a great camera, but the 350XT is a bit better in some ways, and being newer and having more lenses to choose from...and cheaper too.
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03/24/2005 10:56:23 AM · #17 |
EVERYONE KNOWS THAT NIKON GLASS WINS IN THAT DEPARTMENT!!!
Coke or Pepsi is the perfect analogy.
It's the most petty ridiculous debate around. Point is that you can't really get an intelligent, honest answer here, mostly narrow opinions. Actually you can get a smart response but you have to sort through the hogwash.
Hold one in your hands. See how they feel and navigate. That is one of the most important factors. Nikon glass is great...Canon glass is great there is plenty of lens choice on both fronts. 6 megaixels or 8 megapixels ain't that much different. The specs are pretty close to call.
And then after all that go out and buy the D70. IT'S THE BEST.
Nyah...nyah, nyah!!!
One more thing...my dad can beat up your dad!
Message edited by author 2005-03-24 11:31:21. |
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03/24/2005 11:06:58 AM · #18 |
When I purchased my first dSLR, I went to the camera store pretty much with intent to purchase the Canon 10D. I held and shot the Fuji S2, Nikon D100, and the Canon 10D. I played with the menus, I did test shots with similar lenses. What I found out was, that coming from my Fuji s602z, that the Nikon D100 was most similar in terms of layout and menus. So it felt right in my hands. The Canon, while a good fit, just seemed akward. This coupled with the fact that I had 2 friends with Nikon glass sealed the deal for me. I purchased Nikon, and have been very happy with the results. I know a lot of Canon owners who are very happy with their purchases, and they produce images that are in every respect equal to or better than my Nikon. Would I buy a Canon today? Possibly, if it felt good in my hands, and I felt that it had all the features I need. I miss the battery grip on my D70, and would like to have the switch for continuous focus on the front like my D100, but all in all I'm happy with my choice.
In the end, it's up to you. Touch, play, test.... then make up your mind.
-danny |
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03/24/2005 11:36:51 AM · #19 |
I upgraded from an Olympus C-2100 to the D70 and the transition couldn't have been easier. I was a little worried because I'd always disliked the operating system (menu layout, access to certain controls, etc) on Nikon's coolpix line (my mother used to have one we use one in the lab at work), but the system on the D70 is very intuitive and I've had no problems.
For the most part though, I agree with the Pepsi/Coke analogy. Nikon and Canon are the top players in digital SLRs. Both are quality products and have equivalent lenses available for them. The 350D just came out, so it may have a couple more bells and whistles, but if they're not bells and whistles you're interested in, it doesn't matter. The basic product is the same, a low-budget digital SLR body.
I would consider two things when choosing:
1. Ergonomics and minor features. Choose the one that fits your hand or has some little detail that appeals to you.
2. Colaboration. I went with Nikon partly because my boyfriend has a Nikon film SLR, so now we can share lenses, which is great. Since your friends have Nikon, you may have to opportunity to use some of their gear. Even if you don't get to borrow it on a regular basis, you might at least get the chance to try out a certain type of lens before you buy one or something like that. Your friends will also be able to help you learn the camera.
If I were in your shoes, I think I would be weighing the extra megapixels on the 350D vs. the support system your friends will provide for the D70. Me personally, I would probably choose the support system over a few pixels.
Message edited by author 2005-03-24 11:39:05. |
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03/24/2005 02:47:33 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Hardcore Poser:
...Im wondering if anyone has any opinions on what SLR I should buy for around $1000, because right now im stuck on the D70. Just wanted to know my other options. |
Are you sure, you need a DSLR to accomplish what you want to accomplish? I want to point out some disadvantages as well, so you may come prepared.
With DSLRs, you're buying a system. The system is costly. The cost for a good, basic system is about US $ 5.000 plus. Equipment, especially lenses, are heavy and awquard to carry, slow to set up and sensitive to handle. Dust accumulates in the camera, which needs to be removed regularly by swabbing the sensor. Traveling, especially flying and crossing borders, is not made easier by having to pass inspections, clear customs and knowing what to check in and what to carry on.
Nikon and Canon equipment is easily identifiable by most people, including thieves and muggers. Your shooting style, yes, even the genres of your photography up to date may change due the specific equipment you use. Street photography can become a real challenge with such ostentatious and heavy equipment. Candids taken with a super- telephoto lens are not the same as those taken with a small and adaptable camera, like the Leica Digilux 2 or The Sony F-828.
If you do not wish to miss certain shots, you may have to consider purchasing a second body or camera. Some photographers carry three cameras at all times (I carry two myself).
Be aware also that the popular DSLRs considered and recommended in this thread lack certain features, which you may find essential after a few months or a year's worth of use, whereas some of the compact, so-called prosumer cams provide these at a fraction of the cost of a DSLR. The Sony F-828 has a very efficient spot-meter, for instance, which is substituted by a 9% partial meter in the Rebel XT and the 20D, just to list one example.
I want you to consider these facts before investing in something which may or may not fit your purse and/or inclinations.
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03/24/2005 04:06:02 PM · #21 |
Thanks everyone for your opinions and thoughts. I've been given alot of good information. I actually have gone to the stores and messed around with a couple of the cameras you guys have listed for me but im still a little unsure of what to get. But thats ok because while in college right now studying as an engineer, its gonna take me a little bit of time to afford one of these cameras. I will probably be purchasing at the begining of summer.
Pros and cons
The e300 has the dust shaker and is very light, plus is about $100 cheaper than the D70. Im also familiar with the menus. Another good thing that no other camera besides olympus( or at least I think they dont) is the white index card setable white ballance. ( I dont know what the technical name for it is, but you can set the white ballance for any enviornment manually, for those not familiar with olympus you should check it out)
Everone has the D70, so I wont have any problem getting help with it or replacement parts and accessories. I also like how it fits in my hands.I can actually get this camera online with two nikon lenses for a grand, and hopefully sinse its so popular, by the summer the price will have dropped even further.
The The Canon Digital Rebel 350XT is also a very new camera that some of you have said is better than the D70 because it is cheaper and there are more lenses to choose from.
And yet some suggest not getting an SLR. I respect this opinion but I want an SlR because I need to be able to change my lenses. With my c750 I already have invested $120 in a wcon-07 wide angle lens and I would still like to have more options than that. My camera is a 10x optical and 4x digital, so no problem with the zoom. And the super macro function of about 3/4 of an inch can't really be beat. But I just need more versatility. My mom is anartist and it runs in my blood. Im good at art but ive never liked it until photography. Now that im an "artist" lol, I need more tools.
But anyway, I have a lot more shopping to do.
Thanks everyone. |
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03/24/2005 04:32:58 PM · #22 |
There is a lot of good advice here for you to make your choice, whether it be Canon or Nikon. I used Oly equipment for years with film SLRs and they were great, but remember there is a limited lens range at the moment for the Oly!
By the summer, there may be newer models available. A month after I bought my 300D, the 350XT was announced...but I don't want to change yet, next year there could be a new body out that will still take my lenses and the 300D will become a second body.
Despite using Canon, I am not biased, I considered Nikon, Oly, Sigma etc before buying. I read reports til my head hurt. I went into camera shops and played around with the different brands. I checked prices on sites on a regular basis, including the prices of accessories.
When I parted with my money, I bought the whole range I wanted! I knew my budget way in advance and worked to that...buying the best.
There is only one problem remaining...using the camera! I am working thru the manual - a first for me - and learning a lot. I still haven't uploaded a shot using the 300D, or entered a challenge with it yet. Hopefully that will change this weekend.
Remember, don't buy cos someone says the DSLR is better than ****, buy what you like and want! And, have fun with it!
Steve |
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03/24/2005 05:02:02 PM · #23 |
Formerlee-Your portfolio looks great. I can't wait to see what you do with the 300D.
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03/24/2005 05:06:25 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Formerlee-Your portfolio looks great. I can't wait to see what you do with the 300D. |
Thanks, I hope they will be a lot better :)) |
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03/24/2005 05:40:30 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Formerlee-Your portfolio looks great. I can't wait to see what you do with the 300D. |
Thanks, I hope they will be a lot better :)) |
Why shouldn't they be?
My porfolio here at DPC was all taken with my new gear purchased around the end January(with two exceptions). I've gotten way better, pretty fast(in my minds eye...anyway) you'll move along swimingly, no doubt.
My last Challenge was over 6.2 and I'm around 6.3 with Stock. Onward and upward. I did have a few 4 plus rounds so it looks like I'm moving in the right direction.
Once you get some techniques down with less effort, you can move back into taking your type of shot, in your style (comp etc.). I feel much more relaxed now than I did a few weeks back. |
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