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09/06/2002 12:00:47 PM · #1 |
okay, i have a comment from someone saying they graded me down because the felt something in my image was not an acurate display of color. they said i over tweeked it. well all i can say is How did I over tweek the image and get inaccurate color in only one area of the image? the rest of the image is clearly fine. the only way to achieve the effect would be spot editing which is illegal, therefore it should have been recommended for disqualification. all i can say is even though there is doubt by this person, the color of the area in question is actually very accurate.
okay i feel better now. sorry if this didnt make any sense.
-Charles
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09/07/2002 01:23:23 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by goodtimecharlee:
okay, i have a comment from someone saying they graded me down because the felt something in my image was not an acurate display of color. they said i over tweeked it. well all i can say is How did I over tweek the image and get inaccurate color in only one area of the image? the rest of the image is clearly fine. the only way to achieve the effect would be spot editing which is illegal, therefore it should have been recommended for disqualification. all i can say is even though there is doubt by this person, the color of the area in question is actually very accurate.
okay i feel better now. sorry if this didnt make any sense.
-Charles
Don't get your panties in a bunch and be fair!
"I am giving you a 7 but it would have been higher except I don't think the guys hair in green and I think you tweeked it a bit much. Nice shot with good subject placement and cropping."
Assuming this is the comment and without revealing your image I would have to say that the 7 I gave you is nothing to be mad about. Also, I voted on you picture at work and then came home to look them over again and was studing your picture further and it seemed to me while at work that the greens were a little to bright throughout the image. This is not the case when I looked at it at home and noticed that the skin tones were fine and I was considering bumping you to a 8. I decided however that when I looked at the rest of the images that I had given high scores (6+)to that I did not feel that the image was quite as high even though I really liked the image. All that being said I would have to say that a 7 is a good and consistant score with the method I use. By the way: I think that after looking at what I wrote at the end you really need to lighten up a bit and realize that the comments were clearly intended to be constructive criticism even if your comments about spot editing were correct and I clearly made a mistake. If a comment and score like this one prompts you to the rant forumn you may want to pull you underwear out of your behind and unwind a bit :)
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09/07/2002 02:08:49 PM · #3 |
Dude, I think you need to unwind. This is the rant forum, let the guy rant, no harm done.
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09/07/2002 03:25:13 PM · #4 |
Just for the record, green (or any color) in a photo can be heightened without spot editing by simply in creasing the saturation of the GREEN CHANNEL ONLY rather than boosting saturation on the master channel. Of course, this is only true if your editing software has the capability.
But this would not be spot editing.
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09/07/2002 04:28:39 PM · #5 |
Also, some cameras are more sensitive to certain colors, although this is improving.
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09/08/2002 02:47:41 PM · #6 |
Screwedred,
I could care less what score you give me. I just thought that if you think about it you could see that without cheating I couldnt have achieved the final photo according to your accusation.
As far as my underwear is concerened why dont you come back and talk to me when you have actually submitted to a challenge and received a few comments yourself. I totally disreagard any comments made from people who dont enter any photos in the challenges.
As far as increasing saturation on the green channel only. Even doing that it will effect the color of the whole image. If you increase the green saturation it will alter the over all color due to the color mixtures of all the channels. My point was that any tweeking I would have had to do to turn the guys hair that color of green would have completely thrown of the color of the whole image and would be more than obvious. I always convert my images to cmyk and then do my color corrections and then convert back to rgb. I work as a print designer and rgb is never accurate color for print. Since I print my images I never want to be dissapointed in the what comes off my printer and what I see on my screen.
Again I apologize. As stated in my first post I just wanted to vent.
Thanks all.
-Charles |
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09/08/2002 02:56:17 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by goodtimecharlee:
Screwedred,
I could care less what score you give me. I just thought that if you think about it you could see that without cheating I couldnt have achieved the final photo according to your accusation.
As far as my underwear is concerened why dont you come back and talk to me when you have actually submitted to a challenge and received a few comments yourself. I totally disreagard any comments made from people who dont enter any photos in the challenges.
As far as increasing saturation on the green channel only. Even doing that it will effect the color of the whole image. If you increase the green saturation it will alter the over all color due to the color mixtures of all the channels. My point was that any tweeking I would have had to do to turn the guys hair that color of green would have completely thrown of the color of the whole image and would be more than obvious. I always convert my images to cmyk and then do my color corrections and then convert back to rgb. I work as a print designer and rgb is never accurate color for print. Since I print my images I never want to be dissapointed in the what comes off my printer and what I see on my screen.
Again I apologize. As stated in my first post I just wanted to vent.
Thanks all.
-Charles
my only comment to you and others who disregard comments made by people who don't enter pics is that you may be missing a lot of valuable information. my husband votes, when he can, and tries to leave helpful comments. yet, he has never entered a challenge (mainly cause i won't turn loose of the camera long enough to use it). a lot of people may have shot film for years and can give valid comments on picts without taking one for submission. on the other hand, i know very little about photography, yet i comment on pics every round. Since I submit, does that make my opinion more applicable or valuable? (for your sake, I hope not :-)).
Anyway, take it for what it is worth. Don't be too quick to discount someone because he/she doesn't have a pic here. :-)
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09/08/2002 04:14:13 PM · #8 |
I'm not saying you dont have to consider the opinion of the people that dont enter challenges. I myself dont. To me you have to have something to stand on. I can respect someone more if they are going through the challenges along with me even if their critique may not be as useful. I have worked in the graphic design field for 7+ years and one thing I have learned is everyone has an opinion on your work but when it comes down to people doing it themselved it's not so easy. When you have to do it yourself it gives you a whole new perspective and your opinion will hold more weight with me.
I enjoy this site. I don't really participate for the critiques. I participate to help be challenged with the weekly contests. It forces me to go out and shoot things I might not normally go shoot.
There are some people here who give really helpful critiques but overall most people cant seem to look outside the box. Every week I am constantly amazed at what the top picks are and where photos finish that I think are clearly better photos. To each his own. Everyone has their own opinion but that doesnt mean I have to take them all to heart. Don't assume everyone comes to this site for the same reason.
Thank You again,
-Charles
* This message has been edited by the author on 9/8/2002 4:14:01 PM. |
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09/08/2002 04:36:11 PM · #9 |
| so charles ... what i want to know is ... r u charles only when u rant? lol! |
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09/08/2002 06:00:11 PM · #10 |
| i dont think so. maybe. sometimes i'm chas, charlie, or chuck but never chuckie. chuckie gets me fighten mad. j/k |
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09/08/2002 06:43:50 PM · #11 |
| I can only say that many people here who do not sublit have a good deal of experience in mechanical photography so ignoring them may be a bad idea. |
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09/08/2002 07:09:18 PM · #12 |
I'm sure there are. I want to point out that me telling him to come talk to me when he has participated in a challenge was directed at him telling me to calm down and pull my underwear out of my behind. He has obviously not had the experience on this site of receiving critiques on his work.
I am in no way trying to convince people to not take into consideration the critiques of people who do not participate in the challenges. I am just telling you that I personally don't. My feeling is put up or shut up. I get my constructive critisism from other sites and friends who I know know what they are talking about. There really is very little helpful critiques from this site. Out of 4 challenges and around a hundred comments only around 6 have been even remotely helpful. Which is fine. I have stated previously that that is not why I participate in these challenges.
Thank you,
-Chuck : )
* This message has been edited by the author on 9/8/2002 7:08:29 PM.
* This message has been edited by the author on 9/8/2002 7:09:15 PM. |
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09/08/2002 08:19:08 PM · #13 |
For someone not coming for 'critiques' you're very sensitive to them ;-) Good luck for this week ....
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09/08/2002 08:38:47 PM · #14 |
I know where you are coming from Chuckie, and I know those comments were really directed at him. There are definitely some comments that I ignore, and I am sure there are some that ignore me.
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09/09/2002 05:01:32 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by goodtimecharlee:
Screwedred,
I could care less what score you give me. I just thought that if you think about it you could see that without cheating I couldnt have achieved the final photo according to your accusation.
As far as my underwear is concerened why dont you come back and talk to me when you have actually submitted to a challenge and received a few comments yourself. I totally disreagard any comments made from people who dont enter any photos in the challenges.
As far as increasing saturation on the green channel only. Even doing that it will effect the color of the whole image. If you increase the green saturation it will alter the over all color due to the color mixtures of all the channels. My point was that any tweeking I would have had to do to turn the guys hair that color of green would have completely thrown of the color of the whole image and would be more than obvious. I always convert my images to cmyk and then do my color corrections and then convert back to rgb. I work as a print designer and rgb is never accurate color for print. Since I print my images I never want to be dissapointed in the what comes off my printer and what I see on my screen.
Again I apologize. As stated in my first post I just wanted to vent.
Thanks all.
-Charles
Just to be perfectly clear I never made any accusation that you were cheating and I also made it clear that that it was my screen at work that gave me a false perception of the green channel.
I can tell by the nature of all your comments since I replied to your rant that you are really not very secure in your abilities if you need to disregard the opinion of anyone who makes a comment that you do not agree with. After all you received a 5.717 average and your still ranting about someone who gave you a 7 and acknowledged that he made a mistake when commenting the first time. I only commented on your original rant to let you know that I had made a mistake.
As far as your underwear are concerned I figured that with the addition of the :) smiley face at the end of my reply you would understand that my comments were given in the most light hearted and humble way since I was the one admitting to making a mistake. However, I think that you have done a wonderful job of showing that I was right and that you need to lighten up and get a sense of humor.
Not that you care but I think your image should have done better than it did but as you implied….my opinion isn’t worth much...I guess that is to bad for you!
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09/09/2002 05:35:32 PM · #16 |
Screwedred,
I never said you were accusing me of cheating. When I made that original post I assumed who ever made the comment didnt realize that the comment was basically accusing me of some illegal editing.
I appreciate the fact that you think my image should have ranked higher. Thank you. I will apoligize for my response to your post. You got me upset with all the underwear comments. I do have to say that I don't think making comments like you did and then placing a : ) after it makes it okay.
As stated I'm not concerned by my score. I don't think my photo deserved more than a 7. I was more concerned that I would have had to cheat to get the hair green.
Again if I have offended anyone I am sorry. My original intent was to rant in the rant forum and get it out of my system. I never intended this to be a way to bring out some of my other frustrations with this site and p*ss anyone off. |
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