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09/06/2002 10:34:08 AM · #1
Okay I hope I'm not giving away my photo as there are 3 or 4 wildlife/animal photos in this challenge, and I'm sure the others are getting the same response as me.

"Nice photo but not candid"

Wildlife is candid! Infact, most of the time, ALL wildlife photos are candid. It is not possible to get a wild animal to pose for you (unless you shoot it with a gun, stuff it, and position it how you want.)

I just thought I would say that because some people are saying that my photo isnt candid at all, but if I asked them to go and re-create the photo, they would have a hard time doing it! because... it is candid!


Sorry about the rant.
09/06/2002 10:36:59 AM · #2
My argument would be that the fact that wildlife isn't capable of not being "candid," takes away from the effectiveness of the shot.

My can of Mt. Dew on my desk isn't capable of posing, either, but I wouldn't call a shot of it "candid."

Just for the record, there were some animal shots that I scored highly this week. I think that if the animals take on human characteristics and are caught in an apparent "candid" moment, they meet the challenge very well.

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09/06/2002 10:39:02 AM · #3
It might do that yes, but it does not mean that it isnt candid.

Someting that isn't capable of not being "candid"... can't not be candid, if you see what I mean.
09/06/2002 10:40:18 AM · #4
I would argue that your can of Mt. Dew isn't capable of NOT posing, as it never moves so it is perminently posed.
09/06/2002 10:41:31 AM · #5
My Mt. Dew has been moving regularly between the desk and my mouth for the last 10 minutes... and at times it even perspires :)
09/06/2002 10:42:07 AM · #6
lol
09/06/2002 10:43:15 AM · #7
Now I'm thinking more and more that perhaps I should have submitted a shot of my Dew ;)
09/06/2002 10:44:56 AM · #8
I'm sure you would have got a great score ;)
09/06/2002 10:46:06 AM · #9
Originally posted by alansfreed:
Now I'm thinking more and more that perhaps I should have submitted a shot of my Dew ;)

I would have entered a Mountain Dew shot..with glycerin enhanced "Sweat" all over the can and called it "Sweat".

But then I ain't afraid of no 4's!!!
09/06/2002 10:50:43 AM · #10
ANYway, back to the matter at hand...
09/06/2002 10:53:35 AM · #11
Candid, as defined by the dictionary, could include any subject, for the most part.

Candid, as traditionally used in terms of photography, usually includes people.
09/06/2002 10:53:54 AM · #12
Pictures of animals are usually labelled as nature of wildlife, I have never seen an animal photo in any publication classified as candid. On what are you basing your assertion?

Candid: . photographed informally: photographed or filmed without the subject knowing or having the opportunity to prepare or pose a candid documentary.

I would say it would be rather hard for an animal to prepare of pose.

If you look through Popular Photography's annual contest, I doubt you will see any animals in the Candid catagory.



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09/06/2002 10:58:22 AM · #13
Dang... I thought THIS was the matter at hand...

09/06/2002 11:00:05 AM · #14
yer desk is messy like mine :)
09/06/2002 11:00:29 AM · #15
Actually, I cropped out most of the mess. :(
09/06/2002 11:04:33 AM · #16
Originally posted by alansfreed:
My can of Mt. Dew on my desk isn't capable of posing, either, but I wouldn't call a shot of it "candid."


Oh, the Mountain Dew is definitely canneded.

Mine is bottleded though.

-Terry
09/06/2002 12:05:16 PM · #17
candied? or candid?

09/06/2002 10:28:57 PM · #18
Originally posted by Zeissman:
I have never seen an animal photo in any publication classified as candid. On what are you basing your assertion?


Actually I have an entire cook of Animal Candids and I think it is entitled just that. I would look for certain, but we are packing to move and the books went first. Perhaps while unpacking I'll revisit this post.

If you look through Popular Photography's annual contest, I doubt you will see any animals in the Candid catagory.

I doubt that this comment is true. I think it is just as likely as not. I tend to agree with (shoot was it Alansfreed) above when he said "when the animal starts to take on human characteristics, it becomes candid."

2 cents in a dollar's worth of space.
Dawn
09/06/2002 10:51:36 PM · #19
How many years have you been reading Popular Photography? I think I have at least three years worth of annual contest issues.


Amazon.com Results: we were unable to find exact matches for your search for animal candids .
Would you like to search again?

And once again, I will go back to the idea that if you want to enter a contest or challenge, you must reach the audience. If the majority does not agree with you, then too bad. I know I have been in that spot.




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09/06/2002 11:07:53 PM · #20
I agree globally with people saying that 'candid' is mainly a 'human' behavior. Personally, I have often do a -2 or -3 to the photo (sometimes explaining it when the photo was really good or good, but not candid from me).
There is some picture I like in this challenge that I would have given 7 to 9, this week they got 4 to 6.
I tend to think that people sticking to the definition 'not posed' are stretching the challenge. Outside the challenge, outside the fact of having to take a picture , the global knowledge would be that a candid moment involved people. And somewhere it has to be a 'moment'. Well .. not easy but ... this is what I think.
09/07/2002 12:33:59 AM · #21
For me, animal photos are not candids. They have their own classification as either animal or wildlife photos. However, there are several different classifications of people pictures. Portraits are posed, well lit, preplanned ect... Candids are another type of people picture. If it is not preplanned or posed and usually taken without their knowledge, I'd consider that a candid. For example, a traditional wedding shoot would have both posed and candids.
my 2 cents.


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09/07/2002 01:47:47 AM · #22
Preplanned and posed are not the same thing either. If you went to the wedding reception with your camera and went around looking for shots then it is rather planned. You know where to look and have some idea of what you're looking for. The photographer has a plan even if the subjects don't have a clue. In that way, I think you can have a planned candid.
09/07/2002 02:33:30 AM · #23
to me a candid shot is shot of a subject who does not know that there picture is being taken. an animal has a mind and it has emotions as well there is no way it can know its being photographed though. Although a picture where the animal is looking at the lense seems to me like its not candid because they are acknowledging the presence of a camera
09/07/2002 04:41:53 AM · #24
What is the animal is looking away anarchos?
09/07/2002 05:18:09 AM · #25
The person really does not have to be unaware of the camera for a shot to be candid. There are so many definitions being applied by voters in this challenge, it's a bit insane. I've just completely suspended judgement on meeting the challenge, personally, and voted according to my usual standards of a photo's quality as well as how well the photo captured a moment or a mood. I've rated some animal shots highly as a result.
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