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03/06/2005 10:37:48 AM · #1
just looked at my submission on an older CRT (as opposed to the LCD that i edited on). ZOIKS! the contrast sucks. be warned that your image is going to go through a LOT of different monitors.

:)

thats all.

end of line.

Message edited by author 2005-03-06 10:38:14.
03/06/2005 10:51:12 AM · #2
I have to agree Owen, I have an excellent notebook bought for editing pics etc whilst working nights, just not up to it I'm afraid, can't use it, so now all I use it for is the odd dvd or burning my pics onto disc when on holiday,

Paul.
03/06/2005 12:31:14 PM · #3
I sometimes look at my images on my second computer which has a burned out 15" monitor and cringe. Scarry to think that someone could possibly see your work that way - there ought to be a law you know. ;)
03/06/2005 12:33:04 PM · #4
Originally posted by orussell:

I sometimes look at my images on my second computer which has a burned out 15" monitor and cringe. Scarry to think that someone could possibly see your work that way - there ought to be a law you know. ;)


LOL
I realised that is where all my 1 scores come from :)
03/06/2005 01:26:21 PM · #5
Originally posted by peecee:

Originally posted by orussell:

I sometimes look at my images on my second computer which has a burned out 15" monitor and cringe. Scarry to think that someone could possibly see your work that way - there ought to be a law you know. ;)


LOL
I realised that is where all my 1 scores come from :)


LOL...

And then there's folks like me that get 65 1's in a single challenge by way of community punishment for willfully interpreting the Challenge topic in a manner inconsistent with the previaling ethos of the site...

Robt.
03/06/2005 01:49:02 PM · #6
Originally posted by bear_music:

Originally posted by peecee:

Originally posted by orussell:

I sometimes look at my images on my second computer which has a burned out 15" monitor and cringe. Scarry to think that someone could possibly see your work that way - there ought to be a law you know. ;)


LOL
I realised that is where all my 1 scores come from :)


LOL...

And then there's folks like me that get 65 1's in a single challenge by way of community punishment for willfully interpreting the Challenge topic in a manner inconsistent with the previaling ethos of the site...

Robt.


That's happened to me a time or two. Here's an example:
03/06/2005 01:54:47 PM · #7
Originally posted by orussell:

Originally posted by bear_music:

Originally posted by peecee:

Originally posted by orussell:

I sometimes look at my images on my second computer which has a burned out 15" monitor and cringe. Scarry to think that someone could possibly see your work that way - there ought to be a law you know. ;)


LOL
I realised that is where all my 1 scores come from :)


LOL...

And then there's folks like me that get 65 1's in a single challenge by way of community punishment for willfully interpreting the Challenge topic in a manner inconsistent with the previaling ethos of the site...

Robt.


That's happened to me a time or two. Here's an example:


Hell, that's practically an amateur effort at misinterpretation; you only pulled 10 1's :-)

Robt.
03/06/2005 02:10:19 PM · #8
It certainly was amateur. lol But it was deliberate. :) Everyone was on the "thinking outside the box" kick so I decided to give it a whirl. It didn't pan out so well.
03/06/2005 02:26:08 PM · #9
Originally posted by orussell:

It didn't pan out so well.


it rarely does :)
03/07/2005 07:47:16 AM · #10
The problem with the voters on this site is that they do not think out-of-the-box at all. They are so by the definition, creative shots will never win very often. Ansel Adams, only one color! In the box is scary.
03/07/2005 07:50:35 AM · #11
There are two colored in Ansel Adams' challenge ... one more subtle than the other though ...

Message edited by author 2005-03-07 07:51:21.
03/07/2005 08:24:49 AM · #12
Originally posted by vtruan:

The problem with the voters on this site is that they do not think out-of-the-box at all. They are so by the definition, creative shots will never win very often. Ansel Adams, only one color! In the box is scary.


...from different thread
Originally posted by vtruan:


I will vote higher for great shots, but B&W is not out-of-the-box in this challenge, so I look forward to color shots, since I am out-of-the-box most of the time.


So...Van, being the master of 172 challenges entered - are you out-of-the-box or in? If you're out, guess it's pretty easy to figure which one is yours. ;^) Good luck!


03/07/2005 09:56:15 AM · #13
I am way out of the box most of the time, so I'll will never win a challenge. But that the fun I'm having in all of the challenges, I think. :)
03/07/2005 11:27:58 AM · #14
Seriously, here's something to consider on out-of-the-box thinking:

GIVEN: that there is a challenge topic, and...

GIVEN: that different interpretations of the challenge topic are possible, then...

IT FOLLOWS: That whichever interpretations are "most common" (i.e. mainstream, or inside the box) will also have the most "supporters", and thus by definition will "offend" the smallest number of voters.

Outside-the-box thinking, on the other hand, comes in an infinite variety of flavors, and any OTB entry is therefore guaranteed to have fewer appreciators, as its potential audience is fairly well limited to those who share the mindset of the creator, unless the image is so powerful that it "convinces" the "average voter" to extend his/her conceptual horizons.

It gets even more interesting when you drop from consideration all non-conventional approaches to the challenge and focus only on those that are conceptually inside the box. Within that large subgroup, you can find another inside/outside division, based on technical approach. Certain ways of "rendering' the given image are unobjectionable and understood by all, and these images will rarely get low scores if they are well-0executed, but there's always another group that executes a conventional interpretation of the topic in an unconventional way, and these images, again, will usually fare poorly (compared to the rest of this subset) because they tend to polarize the voters. But if you are able to apply an unusual technique to a conventional interpretation so convincingly that you bring voters over to your side, you have a winner.

In general, my entries tend to be conceptually outside the norm but technically within it, and I fare very poorly. My highest-scoring image, by far, is utterly conventional in every respect, and is (to my eyes) the least interesting image I have submitted to any challenge. But then, I'm an oddball; where I live at, concept takes precedence over technique. I'd rather go down in flames with a quirky image than score decently with a boring one.

I'm not sure this makes sense... So it goes...

Robt.

03/07/2005 11:52:31 AM · #15
I just browsed through the ansel adams challenge, and noticed that there was only 2 photos in color.

I have a whole book on his color photography, and another book called "an ansel adams guide" Basic techniques of photography, that has and entire section dedicated to color photography.

And one of his most famous photos is titled "Monument Valley, Arizona" from 1958, and it's a color photo.


03/07/2005 02:11:13 PM · #16
Yes Eric, but the challenge was to shoot in "the style of this famous B/W photographer", which heavily pushed people towards B/W images, even if it did not mandate them. If we're gonna try to emulate someone's "style", aren't we really engaging in a futile exercise if we deliberately go out of our way to choose an area of his work which is NOT anywhere nearly as well-known?

Robt.
03/07/2005 02:18:38 PM · #17
Robert, that's why some folks will never ribbon. They do not conform to rules easliy unless directly spelled out.

Maybe a challenge definition like this "You will accomplish a photograph exactly like Ansel Adams would have done, in B&W, in the western portion of the USA, and you will like it, //signed// love ya guys, DP Challenge leaders". :)
03/07/2005 02:24:11 PM · #18
Well, yeah. but I'M the poster child for this approach (see my self-portrait-as-water-droplet), and even I was not weird enough to submit color to this challenge, although I did eschew the landscape niche and submitted a different sort of image.

Robt.
03/07/2005 02:40:03 PM · #19
Originally posted by bear_music:

Yes Eric, but the challenge was to shoot in "the style of this famous B/W photographer", which heavily pushed people towards B/W images, even if it did not mandate them. If we're gonna try to emulate someone's "style", aren't we really engaging in a futile exercise if we deliberately go out of our way to choose an area of his work which is NOT anywhere nearly as well-known?

Robt.


Rob I agree on the fact that he was not well-known for color but if you use that reasoning you would also discard portraits and urban images or any image other then a landscape because he was not as well-known for them.
The way I see it the challenge was to shot in his style of Adams not to try to emulate his images but I know I was probably thinking out side the box and so did not dare to enter.
03/07/2005 02:44:51 PM · #20
I know look at my "words" chalenge, I couldn't resist the shot. :)))

Message edited by author 2005-03-07 14:45:09.
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