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02/09/2005 01:21:55 PM · #1

What's the point of requesting an admin note on a photo, if the Site Council doesn't get to it until half of the voting is over? Argh.

hopper

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

02/09/2005 01:25:37 PM · #2

when did you request it, the challenge is only 13 hours old? perhaps they validated it but opted not to put the tag on the photo.

you think it's hurting you in voting?

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

02/09/2005 01:27:26 PM · #3

Originally posted by hopper:

when did you request it, the challenge is only 13 hours old? perhaps they validated it but opted not to put the tag on the photo.

you think it's hurting you in voting?

I don't want to say which challenge, since that would help to identify my photo once its validated. But it's overdue.

And yes, I believe it is hurting my score.

02/09/2005 01:31:10 PM · #4

Neil, your photo is still being debated. Some photos get quicker attention when they're more simple to validate, while others get a good bit of debate before a decision is made. There is debate concerning the validity of your shot, which is admittedly dragging the process on a bit...

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

02/09/2005 01:54:39 PM · #5

I sent you a PM, but I would like to officially protest here (whatever that means). Comparing my submission to the RAW file for what was done to that image is about a 2 second process. This is not how admin notes are supposed to work, or they are totally useless.

02/09/2005 02:01:51 PM · #6

And I replied with a PM... there are other issues beyond comparing the original image to what was submitted. When you ask us to investigate an issue, you can count on a pretty thorough investigation, and sometimes that is going to involve some time and debate on our part.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

02/09/2005 02:01:56 PM · #7

Originally posted by nshapiro:

In this case, it's not a 2 second process. There is another issue.

David.C

02/09/2005 02:58:08 PM · #8

Originally posted by mk:

... There is another issue.

Cue the suspenseful music. ;)

David

tolovemoon

Canon EOS Rebel SL1

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

02/09/2005 03:02:38 PM · #9

I requested a DQ with my classy decorations, because I had submitted the wrong one at the last minute.. I didnt want it to have the red stamp on it validated.. I sure didnt want to go from my scores going up then plunge back down. I wanted to be able to give reason and have it removed from the challenge but it was validated with out that extra email like it used to be when I first started... I am not a professional but I still have goals...

The top photographers here need to be able to maintain their scores and reach goals because it is a real internet portfolio. There are customers or employers looking for potential work or customers that want quality photographers... Now this process should not always be done but for members yes specially if they are way above even just 20 or more challenges..and if they work for themself...This is a big deal and I hope it is looked into changing.. I care about working as a team and helping one another improve so that ones dreams can come true...

And to get my point across I over react and my words seem too funny here!

Message edited by author 2005-02-09 15:07:53.

02/09/2005 03:02:39 PM · #10

Neil and I are discussing offsite. The rest of you will just have to die of suspense. :)

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

02/09/2005 03:09:31 PM · #11

Originally posted by tolovemoon:

The top photographers here need to be able to maintain their scores and reach goals because it is a real internet portfolio.

Um... then be more careful to be sure you're submitting the right shot! It's just not fair to allow someone to remove a shot because they don't feel it's performing up to their standards, or because they submitted the wrong shot. Heck, I would have been more than happy to ditch quite a few of my own mediocre shots; most of us would love to erase old mistakes.

This site isn't designed to be an Internet portfolio so much as it is a contest and learning grounds. If you're using it as a portfolio, it's firmly on your shoulders to be doubly sure your entries are worthy of your portfolio.

Message edited by author 2005-02-09 15:11:29.

moodville

Nikon D100

02/09/2005 03:12:29 PM · #12

Originally posted by mk:

Neil and I are discussing offsite. The rest of you will just have to die of suspense. :)

You wound me.... therefore I die :(

KaDi

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

02/09/2005 03:16:45 PM · #13

Originally posted by mk:

Neil and I are discussing offsite. The rest of you will just have to die of suspense. :)

I'm dying of the flu, here--so could you hurry it up? :-)

Seriously, I've just entered a photo for one of the challenges that I think will get some sceptical votes believing that I did not achieve my image legally.

What's the best strategy? Ask for an admin note before my suspicions are confirmed--or wait until either someone leaves a comment accusing me of "illegal" practices or requests validation during the challenge?

thatcloudthere

Canon EOS-1D

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

02/09/2005 03:22:17 PM · #14

I have never heard of somebody using this site (and further, their average score on this site) as part of their internet portfolio!

tolovemoon

Canon EOS Rebel SL1

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

02/09/2005 03:41:44 PM · #15

I am sorry but it is to evident that when someone is doing a google search looking for things, some are out to look for prints and some see something good where word of mouth comes in...DPC usually always is in the first searches when it comes to photography.. Why not make it the best it can be!! The intire world sees it. If this site is here to help get better then what the heck is prints being incorparated with it for?

tolovemoon

Canon EOS Rebel SL1

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

02/09/2005 04:07:49 PM · #16

Oh yeah and I am not speaking for me in general. I am speaking for all photographers amature and professional... This site gave me the impression when I started out here that it was a good way to build a portfolio, a business, to learn, a chance to give back to the online community as well as each of everyones real world community.. I am not saying that DQ should be a practice for every situation but the consideration would still be nice and negotiated everytime, not just see it and approve it, or leave it be and ignored. .......

I am sord of proud of my little classy deco wether the score went down from the scores I had going up. It has taught me to stand up and say what I feel is right, right here .... I am walking away now so I will remain calm...

RulerZigzag

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 200-500mm f/5.6E ED VR

02/09/2005 04:13:42 PM · #17

I agree with with you Tracy. I think maintaining a high average is important. I dont disagree with you requesting Dp to DQ your photo. I guess it's a matter of putting the time and effort into these challenges. Either do or dont do.

thatcloudthere

Canon EOS-1D

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

02/09/2005 04:22:38 PM · #18

The point is, there's a rule that won't allow for the removal of any photo whatsoever, unless that photo is deemed to breaking the rules already...

02/09/2005 04:31:25 PM · #19

DPCPrints, which is generally what comes up in search engines, really isn't all that easily connected to DPChallenge. There's a couple small links to it, but even then, you'd have to come here and enter the full name of the photographer to find their profile here.

Sure, this site is a great place to come and learn how to do any number of things. However, the site really doesn't hold any responsibility in making sure how well you do in the outside world. It's main purpose is to be a photography contest, not a portfolio builder.

If everytime someone doesn't like their score, they DQ it, it doesn't really leave much of a contest. We work with a set of rules that applies to everyone. We don't really have the means (or the interest, I imagine) in investigating whether or not it's someone's dream to become a photographer and then bow to their whims accordingly. Not that I'm keen on dashing people's dreams, but again, this site's purpose, first and foremost, is to be a contest.

I certainly understand Neil's frustration with the amount of time it has taken to validate his photo, especially since he feels he's lost some votes because of it. I've apologized to him in private. In his case, there was another issue and we are working to establish a fair standard to address that issue.

If you value your average that much, I would advise you (as in everyone, in general) to take the utmost responsibility when submitting to challenges. Take the extra two minutes to make sure you are submitting the photo you want to submit. Make sure you've followed the appropriate rules for your challenge. Etc.

KaDi - if you'd like to request a validation notice on your image, that's fine. In general, when it's simply a comparison of your entry and your original and everything looks good, it's done in a brief amount of time.

Best-Buy Easy Point & Click

02/09/2005 04:32:17 PM · #20

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

The point is, there's a rule that won't allow for the removal of any photo whatsoever, unless that photo is deemed to breaking the rules already...

As it should be. Imagine if it worked differently, and everyone who didn't make it into the top 10 decided that score just wasn't good enough for them, so they removed their images from the challenges. Does that really sound fair to you?

radiman

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

02/09/2005 04:33:57 PM · #21

Well if you are not satisfied with your challenge entry, and you are looking to market it, why can't you just improve it and then put it up in the your prints after the fact?

dsb_mac

02/09/2005 04:34:35 PM · #22

What's all this talk about not being able/shouldn't be allowed to remove one's submission? It plainly states your right to do so in the rules.

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A user may request removal of their own photo, for any reason, but only if they have not been disqualified for any reason in their last 25 submissions

MikeO

Fujifilm x100

02/09/2005 04:36:07 PM · #23

This is just a photo site where we enter photos for pleasure and to learn, its not life or death. Put it into perspective for goodness sake. Its not important, it does not matter, its a photograph its not going to alter your life, affect your ability to walk, talk or breath.

It's just too sad for words...

Jebus help us

Message edited by author 2005-02-09 16:38:03.