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08/12/2002 06:18:53 PM · #1 |
I've been through about half of the Something New submissions and I'm having trouble seeing how most of these relate to the challenge.
I mean, I know I'm not one to criticize, coming in something like 143rd last week (sigh...I thought it was better than THAT), but is anyone else noticing the lack of relevant pictures?
Just curious. Some great shots, but they don't scream "new" to me.
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08/12/2002 06:23:57 PM · #2 |
I think the issue is between what the photographer sees as new as opposed to whether or not the viewer sees it as new. For instance, maybe a new ice cream shop opened up near my home last week. I could photograph that as new, but in order for the viewer to know this, they would have to be a part of my community to understand it...
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08/12/2002 06:26:39 PM · #3 |
| Thats why I didnt submit this time around, I just couldnt find anything that screamed something new. but as an old-schooler to the site ive learned that you dont have to submit every time. if you rush a picture just to get something in the challenge, then the votes will speak for themselves. Although there were a few really briliant images in the new challenge there are many more not so..... um ill say great images either. im not sure where im going with this but ill just agree with you muckpond. |
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08/12/2002 06:30:12 PM · #4 |
| I dont really see me submitting anything for the pencil challenge, as I have no interesting ideas what-so-ever. For something new, I thought my photo was pretty good, but the voters semm to think other-wise. Oh well, you win some you lose some. |
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08/12/2002 06:31:16 PM · #5 |
i think jmsetzler is right.
It helps if you have a commom taste. Helps you to know what people will like. I guess I'm just a bit strange :P |
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08/12/2002 06:46:33 PM · #6 |
Well, yeah, I know that it's a very subjective challenge. But it still seems like people didn't put much thought into things like "that new Dairy Queen is new to me, but it doesn't make much sense in the grand scheme of things."
I don't know. I normally spend about 5 days chewing on the topic in the back of my head somewhere. *shrug* I think I'm taking my average vote awarded seriously down this week!
--Rob
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08/12/2002 07:07:26 PM · #7 |
I think I am suffering from being "obscure" this week. (No comments to back this up, yet) My shot is a thinker, I expected many would not figure out the new-ness, but on the other hand, I don't have NEW in my title. Would that have helped? (or pissed people off!)
Swash
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08/12/2002 07:14:54 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
I think I am suffering from being "obscure" this week. (No comments to back this up, yet) My shot is a thinker, I expected many would not figure out the new-ness, but on the other hand, I don't have NEW in my title. Would that have helped? (or pissed people off!)
Swash
My picture was the same way. All week, i tried to come up with a "something new" shot, and drew zeros. On the way to a trip to monterey to escape the heatwave we had, I saw what I knew would be my submission for the week. It's VERY abstract, but I really liked it, even though I was pretty sure it would get voted low.
So far, my expectations are panning out, at least scorewise.
This is okay, though... So far I have recieved at least one comment from someone that actualy "got it" and that was more than enough to carry me through the week.
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08/12/2002 07:47:26 PM · #9 |
I agree. My picture is something incredibly new, and yet, due to the fact that no one can read the comments I placed on my picture until after the contest, all of the comments I have gotten so far have critisized me for not photographing something new.
Oh well, so much for first submissions. |
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08/12/2002 11:23:10 PM · #10 |
| I am one of those who have submitted a picture in the latest challenge that the voters have left comments like it doesn't meet the challenge. I never wrote 'new' in the title because I thought everbody else would do that, which most did. Obviously if you submitted to the 'new challenge' you the photographer believe that your subject is new, which they all are, some newer than others. The irony of it is that my picture is taken in a building that was built 2 weeks ago, but is not yet completed, therefor a lot of people can't see what is new in my picture. Its probably newer than a lot of the other subjects in the other pictures. But then again, this site is for amateurs, some not having any clue on 'reading' the pictures. Come on guys use your imagination! |
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08/12/2002 11:36:05 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Jean:
I am one of those who have submitted a picture in the latest challenge that the voters have left comments like it doesn't meet the challenge. I never wrote 'new' in the title because I thought everbody else would do that, which most did. Obviously if you submitted to the 'new challenge' you the photographer believe that your subject is new, which they all are, some newer than others. The irony of it is that my picture is taken in a building that was built 2 weeks ago, but is not yet completed, therefor a lot of people can't see what is new in my picture. Its probably newer than a lot of the other subjects in the other pictures. But then again, this site is for amateurs, some not having any clue on 'reading' the pictures. Come on guys use your imagination!
but perhaps if people have to really use their imagination and provide
much benefit of the doubt so that your picture can be considered to have
met the challenge, then you haven't met the challenge very well ?
The pictures that do well here are the ones that 'scream out' the challenge
topic. They embody it and jump out of the page.
That doesn't neccessarily make them good, long lasting, substantial pictures,
but it seems to be what it takes to win here, especially if you want to
get noticed out of a few hundred other entries...
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08/13/2002 01:07:33 PM · #12 |
I agree with Jean. If all the winning photographs always scream the obvious then they will always be somewhat average. i have to remind myself that this is an amatuer site and that it seems to be driven more by meeting the challenge than by the quality of the photo. I like images that prompt you to think. Photography is a creative field and recognition should be given when the challenge is met in a not so obvious way. I dont know I guess I shouldnt be suprised by this. It's just aggrivating when I see some technically great photos get very low scores. I myself am not going to dumb down my submissions to get a better score. I will just submit what I think is my best shot and hope a few people out there appreciate it.
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08/13/2002 04:52:13 PM · #13 |
I am going to play devil's advocate here...
I have no idea who is who and which pictures belong to who or anything.
Sometimes I think people assume they have received low votes because the voters didn't "get" their interpretation of the challenge when actually, in a number of cases, there's no issue about the photo meeting the challenge, it's really just that the photo is not inspiring or attractive or interesting to look at.
I am seeing a whole lot of photos of something new, there are only 2 which I feel don't link well to the theme. Out of the rest a heck of a lot are just a photo of something which happens to be new. Not attractive, not interesting, just something new.
For me the idea of taking a photo with a theme of new isn't about finding something new and taking a photo of it and that's it. I think it's about expressing the concept new within the photo and at the same time ensuring that the photo is actually an attractive photo in it's own right.
A couple of times someone has posted with a message that people obviously didn't get their idea for the XYZ challenge because they scored so lo. So I go and look up which photo was theirs. And find it's one I scored really low not because it didnt fit the theme but because it was an unattractive photo. It was boring or technically poor or just plain didn't grab me visually in any way.
Anyway, just my two cents and please don't take this the wrong way. I am just making the point, not saying that this is the case in all cases where people have expressed this concern. |
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08/13/2002 05:23:27 PM · #14 |
I found 5 shots I can't relate to the challenge in any way... I left comments saying I can't see it and asking them to PM me if I'm missing something... Then I'll go back and relook...
But that's just me... |
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08/13/2002 06:11:21 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
For me the idea of taking a photo with a theme of new isn't about finding something new and taking a photo of it and that's it. I think it's about expressing the concept new within the photo and at the same time ensuring that the photo is actually an attractive photo in it's own right.
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I am new to this site (actually this is my first post) so I am sure that this has been discussed in other forums but I was wondering how much weight people give to the subject photographed and how well it meets the challenge and how much they give to the actual technique involved? This is the first challenge that I have entered and I'm getting some great comments but they are mostly about what I photographed rather than how I photographed it...just wondering :)
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/13/2002 6:11:29 PM. |
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08/13/2002 06:15:35 PM · #16 |
...For me the idea of taking a photo with a theme of new isn't about finding something new and taking a photo of it and that's it. I think it's about expressing the concept new within the photo and at the same time ensuring that the photo is actually an attractive photo in it's own right....
I tend to agree with you Kavey and when looking for a subject to photograph I spent many hours thinking of the perfect thing to express the concept of new. Unfortunatley, I ran out of time and didn't find the subject I wanted. Given the challenge, I imagine one could look for a long long time for just the right subject to express "something new". From looking at all the other posts, I found that most everyone else struggled finding that special subject that captured the challenge so well. In my personal opinion the subject was a tough one and I have tried to be lienient in my voting to reflect this. |
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08/13/2002 08:51:10 PM · #17 |
| I too was looking for my shot. I went out for two days looking for it. What I wanted was a dried up water hole where the ground is cracking and the new life is growing out from the cracks. If I have been in the desert I would have found that type of water hole. I just found where the lake levels had dropped and new plant life developed but not the cracks I was looking for. As far as escaping the heat last weekend I was with you in Monterey and so were a lot of other people. I got some great shots on the Monterey side but on the Pacific Grove side the fog came in and the range was limited. As far as with entering in the contests I don't always use my best picture, I enter the one that I take a liking too or part of sometimes when I know I don't have a chance at getting in the top ten. Even when you enter a photograph that should do well you get those 1 and 2 votes that keep you from doing better. |
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08/14/2002 05:37:54 AM · #18 |
I agree with Kavey completely. The subject of the challenge should be starting point for your picture - not the limit. I find it much more interesting to see a picture that develops the challenge's idea and gives me some insight than to just look at a technically well taken photo of very literal interpretation of the challenge.
KrazyKat - in answer to your question about how much "fitting the challenge" weighs into people's scoring. The answer is VERY MUCH. Far more than I'm comfortable with in fact. There are many creative, intelligent people here who take the time to understand your picture. But for every one of those there seem to be 4 others that will knock off 5 or more points if they can't immediately see how your picture meets the challenge.
I'm loving being here but I'm starting to wish that the rules were different. I like having the challenge to start my thought processes. But I would like to see the rules state that photos do not have to fit the challenge. That way all pictures could be judged on their own merits.
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08/14/2002 07:09:54 AM · #19 |
One thing that really threw me for a loop was the critique that my submission "did not meet the challenge requirements." Either that person graded just based on the thumbnail review or they really need to get out more often. I included 3 elements in the picture that would scream "NEW!!" In fact, I made it an absolute effort to exclude from the picture anything unnecessary from carrying the "new" message. The resulting picture would be globally understood to be carrying the message.
Now this IS too funny .... Someone just remarked that I met the requirements very well.
"You can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time."
Insanity is contagious, you get it from this site! :-)
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/14/2002 11:22:15 AM. |
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08/14/2002 01:27:43 PM · #20 |
//www.dpchallenge.com/vote_wnd.asp?IMAGE_ID=4474
that was my picture. lots of my comments so far said it would have been better if I had a different background. Although I agree, that doesn't mean I didnt try it. I actually had many cool backgrounds but it seemed they just werent funny enough. my girlfriend didnt know i was doing this and it just seemed like a picture that was different from everything else.
everyone's pictures tend to be so contrived (hence orderly and structured). mine was more random, shot at a moment in time, and something new.
not to mention the effect was pretty fun to do. (some people asked if it was legal too!)
-anton (newbie to the site, this being my first submission)
ps. i used a photon light to produce the effect. i took several attempts to write the word. |
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08/14/2002 02:02:49 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by antonabaya:
-anton (newbie to the site, this being my first submission)
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You might want to edit your post - some people make it a rule to give lower scores after someone discusses their photo.
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08/14/2002 02:04:55 PM · #22 |
I deleted this post,sorry about that :)
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/14/2002 2:47:42 PM.
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/14/2002 2:53:08 PM. |
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08/14/2002 02:10:38 PM · #23 |
Silver, antonabaya
You're really not meant to discuss the voting in anyway as to make your photo identifiable as yours when voting is still on.
Otherwise, people can vote up or down depending on how much they like or dislike the photographer. It negates the whole point of anonymity.
Kavey
PS Pretty handle, why Silver?
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/14/2002 2:11:38 PM. |
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08/14/2002 02:12:14 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by silver101:
I have only just got my first digital camera and this was my first entry. So far I have not"scored" very well but I remain pleased because this was my first attempt and it could of been alot worse(mind you I suppose it still could). Thankyou for all the comments.
Again, you really are not supposed to discuss your photos until after the voting ends Sunday night. It has the possibility of changing votes. It would be a good idea for you to edit your post to remove the description.
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08/14/2002 02:51:58 PM · #25 |
Oops,sorry about that :)
Post has been edited as requested,it won't happen again :)
Silver101 is the name myself and my husband use on all of our internet endeavors,and we have done for years.Thanks though,i quite like it :D |
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