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04/15/2023 03:39:37 AM · #1

I just tried ChatGPT for the first time. I am blown away! I could write books based on my images!

As ChatGPT is text-based it asked me to describe an image so it could improve my description:

"An image shows a man walking across the bridge towards an old windmill on the top of a small hill. The road has fences along with some lanterns. It is the middle of the night and an enormous moon is shining behind the windmill. Below the bridge there is a river and there is slight fog above it. On the right there are rocky hills with clouds on top of them. The bridge is made of stone, some landscape rocks have mauve flowers."

Here is what it came up with:

"The image depicts a serene and picturesque scene set in the middle of the night. A man is seen walking across a stone bridge that spans a river, heading towards an old windmill perched atop a small hill in the distance. The road leading to the windmill is lined with fences and lanterns, casting a warm glow in the night. A colossal moon is shining brightly behind the windmill, illuminating the surrounding landscape. Above the river, there is a slight fog that adds a mystical ambiance to the scene.

On the right side of the image, rocky hills rise with clouds lingering over their peaks, adding to the sense of mystery and grandeur. The bridge itself is made of stone, adding to the historic and rustic feel of the setting. Some landscape rocks along the bridge are adorned with mauve flowers, adding a touch of color to the scene.

Overall, the image portrays a peaceful and magical nocturnal scene with a man walking towards an old windmill, set against a scenic landscape with a moonlit sky, fog, and rocky hills, creating a sense of wonder and tranquility."

I could never write anything like this! Here is the image:
https://1x.com/photo/2487855

GinaRothfels

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04/15/2023 11:37:57 AM · #2

I'd never heard of ChatGPT until I read your post. Then quite by coincidence I came across a YouTube video where the used it to create recipes with random ingredients.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Z-exw1fQU

posthumous

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04/15/2023 11:52:25 AM · #3

This old English major thinks you are a much better writer than ChatGPT.

glad2badad

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04/15/2023 11:59:03 AM · #4

Originally posted by posthumous:

This old English major thinks you are a much better writer than ChatGPT.

Exactly! What do you think AI is made of? Has to be taught ... by initial feeding of existing material.

04/15/2023 12:43:12 PM · #5

But what it creates as a whole is new, after all there is a lot of repetition in both spoken and written language, most people have a vocabulary of a few thousand words and English language has more than 300,000 !!

PS I found ChatGPT a great tool for planning trips as it does not try to sell me something as most tourist offices and Google. I looked at Bad Ragaz tourist office site and I was bombarded with offers for paid experiences with little detail of what to see in the area, ChatGPT did that in points with no specific advertising or selling.

PS2 I wanted to find out how to do something very specific in software called Unreal Engine and after searching in Google and Unreal Engine documentation I was completely lost. I asked ChatGPT and I got instructions in points on what to do and it worked! What a time saver!

PS3 I wanted to put my image description into Midjourney AI image generator to see what it produces. Unfortunately they are now into money making mode and I just got a repeated message that there is too much traffic for free trial images and I have to spend $96 for an annual plan to use it! I had to give up, I checked Wall-E and they just want $15 to buy credits, still too much for trying to find out what AI image generators do. After all I prefer to create images myself.

glad2badad

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04/15/2023 12:52:41 PM · #6

Originally posted by MargaretNet:

...
PS2 I wanted to find out how to do something very specific in software called Unreal Engine and after searching in Google and Unreal Engine documentation I was completely lost. I asked ChatGPT and I got instructions in points on what to do and it worked! What a time saver!
...

I can see that as a viable usage. Google on steroids basically. :-)

04/15/2023 03:12:49 PM · #7

PS3 I wanted to put my image description into Midjourney AI image generator to see what it produces. Unfortunately they are now into money making mode and I just got a repeated message that there is too much traffic for free trial images and I have to spend $96 for an annual plan to use it! I had to give up, I checked Wall-E and they just want $15 to buy credits, still too much for trying to find out what AI image generators do. After all I prefer to create images myself. [/quote]

I have the 30$ annual plan in Midjourney and I generate unlimited images. I think it is very little money for what I get.
My Midjourney images

04/15/2023 03:23:27 PM · #8

Originally posted by GeorgesBogaert:

I have the 30$ annual plan in Midjourney and I generate unlimited images. I think it is very little money for what I get.
My Midjourney images

Was the link supposed to go to your images? For me it just went to the current subscription page. I tried in another browser and got the homepage, how can I see your images? I am very interested, one idea I had was that Midjourney could give me ideas for new images, I am still not thinking about using the generated images, but maybe I am wrong with that as I haven't had the opportunity to try. The current craze makes me wonder if it is a beginning of a new creative medium, ridiculed and hated now but possibly being very important in future.

Message edited by author 2023-04-15 15:26:34.

04/15/2023 11:19:10 PM · #9

You have to be logged in your MJ account to see mine.
And it's 30$ a month. cheaper if you take the annual plan

Message edited by author 2023-04-15 23:20:21.

04/15/2023 11:49:29 PM · #10

There are only annual plans now, minimum $8 per month so I won't be able to see your images, what kind of images do you make? What do you see as the advantages of Midjourney approach?

04/16/2023 01:09:08 AM · #11

Originally posted by MargaretNet:

There are only annual plans now, minimum $8 per month so I won't be able to see your images, what kind of images do you make? What do you see as the advantages of Midjourney approach?

some are on my smugmug account.
https://georgesbogaert.smugmug.com/

04/16/2023 09:33:03 AM · #12

Originally posted by GeorgesBogaert:

Originally posted by MargaretNet:
There are only annual plans now, minimum $8 per month so I won't be able to see your images, what kind of images do you make? What do you see as the advantages of Midjourney approach?

some are on my smugmug account.
https://georgesbogaert.smugmug.com/

Amazing stuff!! Do you know if Midjourney can create 3D objects? I started to learn how to develop a 3D game like Myst and interesting 3D objects would be very useful.

posthumous

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04/16/2023 10:22:16 AM · #13

just a warning about researching travel plans or anything else with ChatGPT. Always verify the results! ChatGPT is designed to use language, not be accurate. I routinely get false answers from it.

04/16/2023 10:30:43 AM · #14

Originally posted by posthumous:

just a warning about researching travel plans or anything else with ChatGPT. Always verify the results! ChatGPT is designed to use language, not be accurate. I routinely get false answers from it.

Years ago I used to verify what a travel agent told me and she was wrong a few times so nothing new here. It is always good to do your homework from multiple sources.

04/16/2023 10:59:13 AM · #15

Originally posted by MargaretNet:

Originally posted by GeorgesBogaert:

Originally posted by MargaretNet:
There are only annual plans now, minimum $8 per month so I won't be able to see your images, what kind of images do you make? What do you see as the advantages of Midjourney approach?

some are on my smugmug account.
https://georgesbogaert.smugmug.com/

Amazing stuff!! Do you know if Midjourney can create 3D objects? I started to learn how to develop a 3D game like Myst and interesting 3D objects would be very useful.

It cannot not create a 3D mesh. the output will always be 2d. I can generate an image as if it was created with a 3D software

04/18/2023 01:15:41 AM · #16

And now this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-18/prize-winning-photograph-turns-out-to-be-ai-generated/102234888

I agree with the winner, it is time to make AI a new form of art. To generate a winning image and the complete series that went with it, is not a matter of pressing a button, there is a lot of thought going into prompting the system as well as having a vision of what is to be generated.

After being dragged into it by being accused of using AI for my image created in photo-scanned 3D environment using a virtual camera (with lenses, aperture etc like in a real camera) I now fully support AI generated images when they are new, thoughtful and artistic.

I think all the hysteria with AI is caused by threats to the livelihoods of the visual artists who use traditional techniques. It happened in the past and this reaction is nothing new, time to open up your minds!

04/18/2023 01:26:53 AM · #17

Originally posted by MargaretNet:

While everything you say might be true, the following questions must be asked:

What is the source AI uses to create images from word prompts
If the answer is "billions of images from the internet ", then further questions are:
Who benefits from these AI images? Certainly not the creators of those billions of images.

Regardless of how proficient one gets with the word prompts, and the vision, etc. that you.mention, it is still constructed from images taken from millions of people, who were neither asked for permission to use their content, nor were credited, nor were compensated.

It's like designing your dream house and then driving around the city picking the best materials from other construction sites, without asking for permission, or paying for the materials.

It doesn't matter; this discussion is merely academic since AI is here to stay and will continue to take over activities humans enjoy doing.

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II

04/18/2023 08:09:00 AM · #18

https://thecodebytes.com/is-ai-art-theft/

easy to understand article how AI generators work.

This Thursday I will go to the AI expo Taiwan 2023.

Venser

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

04/18/2023 09:28:50 AM · #19

Originally posted by tanguera:

It doesn't matter; this discussion is merely academic since AI is here to stay and will continue to take over activities humans enjoy doing.

It still sucks kryptonite donkey balls at writing code (anything above university level toy problems).

04/18/2023 09:39:48 AM · #20

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by tanguera:
It doesn't matter; this discussion is merely academic since AI is here to stay and will continue to take over activities humans enjoy doing.

It still sucks kryptonite donkey balls at writing code (anything above university level toy problems).

Name me anything that didn't suck in its infancy.

04/18/2023 09:48:22 AM · #21

Originally posted by GeorgesBogaert:

https://thecodebytes.com/is-ai-art-theft/

easy to understand article how AI generators work.

This Thursday I will go to the AI expo Taiwan 2023.

Interesting read.
The issue for him is also ethical vs unethical.

There is no question that AI democratizes the making of imagery. But the possibility for abuse is massive, especially with defamation, putting people in situations that never happened, for example.

I'm sure enthusiasts will disagree.

04/18/2023 10:02:18 AM · #22

Thanks, Georges. This is the key message from the article:

"What AI Art AI is actually doing is learning from these images. A big difference between copying and pasting."

This is what artists did for centuries except at a much slower pace. They learned from others and then created their own.

The analogy with theft of building materials to build your home is not what AI does. It does not copy and paste selected pixels which to me would be equivalent to cutting out pieces of canvas and putting them together to make a new painting, what it does is to use knowledge and intelligence gained to create something new.

To summarize - AI is not a copyright problem but the problem of the quality of the output. The winning AI image in Sony competition is quite amazing and should be recognized as that regardless of the technique used. Maybe it is time to stop talking about photos but start talking about images? Maybe Digital Photography Challenge is now outdated and should be renamed to Digital Imagery Challenge? Being first to the market could attract new users to this Website.

04/18/2023 10:07:35 AM · #23

Originally posted by tanguera:

...But the possibility for abuse is massive, especially with defamation, putting people in situations that never happened, for example...

Skilled photographers could do this before, even in the days of film. It was called photo-montage.

posthumous

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04/18/2023 10:09:07 AM · #24

Originally posted by MargaretNet:

This is what artists did for centuries except at a much slower pace. They learned from others and then created their own.

the current AI is not "learning" or "creating" the way we do. it doesn't know or care about the difference between an eye and a watermark. it is a tool, like the camera. art did not improve after the camera was invented. it just continued. and it will keep continuing.